Pacquiao's lack of defense concerns me.

Pacman is average defense at best. Don't give me this bullshit he was testing Cotto's power, if he did, it was only when he was on teh ropes. The man gets tagged every fight he's been in. Against a sharp shooter like Mayweather, hes going to be eating up a lot of clean punches. How about Mayweather?

Aint this thread SUPPOSE to revolve around Pacquiao? Yes, but the particular point I was making was concerning Floyd and Cotto's punching power.

Pacman is average defense at best. Don't give me this bullshit he was testing Cotto's power, if he did, it was only when he was on teh ropes. The man gets tagged every fight he's been in. Against a sharp shooter like Mayweather, hes going to be eating up a lot of clean punches.

Oh and my point, to be clear, was that Cotto is the stronger puncher than Floyd, but Floyd is the more devastating puncher because of his speed. Again, I wasn't even talking about Pacquiao. Aint this thread SUPPOSE to revolve around Pacquiao?

Personally, I thnk that Pac went into the Cotto fight expecting to get battered alot. People were going on about how much bigger and stronger Cotto is; Pac was being more "carefull" than he should of been. When he fights Mayweather he'll go fullout, like he went against Hatton. Ps. "carefull" doesn't mean defensive. He wasn't confident enough. At first he didn't fight his fight, he went with Cotto; only later realising Cotto couldn't "touch" him.

how about this one Thats why I asked you this questions: 1.) Did you ever think that Manny doesn't have the speed also? 2.) Whom do you think has the faster hand speed. Manny or Floyd? 3.) Have you ever think that Manny speed can't hit Floyd with a punch? I was just asking questions to you dans01234. Are my questions so hard to be answered? Oh and my point, to be clear, was that Cotto is the stronger puncher than Floyd, but Floyd is the more devastating puncher because of his speed. Again, I wasn't even talking about Pacquiao.

how about this one Thats why I asked you this questions: 1.) Did you ever think that Manny doesn't have the speed also? Yes he does 2.) Whom do you think has the faster hand speed. Manny or Floyd? Manny, but Floyd has better reflexes 3.) Have you ever think that Manny speed can't hit Floyd with a punch? Of course he can hit Floyd. JMM hit Floyd. Gatti hit Floyd. I was just asking questions to you dans01234. Are my questions so hard to be answered? Fine, I'll answer your questions even though it's completely irrelevent to the point I was making.

I finally rewatched Cotto-Pacquiao. Frankly it was too disappointing, as a Cotto fan, to watch it again, so I held off for a while. Watching again, I realized Cotto was far more effective offensively than I remembered. He was hitting Pacquiao with flush punches all night. Pacquiao's only real defense was to stick his hands straight up. Not a lot of slipping, dodging, or anything really. He basically figured out Cotto could not hurt him, and walked straight through everything. In his career, and against Cotto, he's been able to do this because of his speed and his overall offense. His chin is incredible clearly, and it's going to be tough for anyone to hurt him. However, this concerns me about his chances in a Mayweather fight. Mayweather is not looking for a KO like most fighters, so whether Pac can take his punch will not matter as much. The point is, that Mayweather will probably be landing on Pacquiao, a lot. Mayweather landed 59% against Marquez, while Pacquiao landed only 23% on Marquez. The question is whether you think Pacquiao can land enough on Mayweather, even though he's going to get hit a lot against Floyd. That, or you're hoping for a KO. You have to remember Pacquiao attacks and throw a lot of punches compare to PBF. Just like what JMM said, Pac comes to fight. As far as his defense, it sucks against Cotto. Even in a close fight against JMM, Pac had a better defense than against Cotto.

he said he wanted to prove that he can take cotto's punch... probably read some threads here in nsb claiming he can't take cotto's punch. PAC also read that PBF defense is invincible, so imho he will test that out as well...

How many punches did Cotto land on Pac? Im too lazy to look it up..And if Pac can take Cottos power he should be fine with a leaky defense..In theory.. Based on compubox, Pac landed more shots than cotto fromround 2-12...Cotto only won round 1 even w/o the KDs.,. As for Pac's defense, Manny was testing cotto's power during round 1...He was kinda taunting him to get into his head...

1.) Did you ever think that Manny doesn't have the speed also? 2.) Whom do you think has the faster hand speed. Manny or Floyd? 3.) Have you ever think that Manny speed can't hit Floyd with a punch? I want to be enlightened dans01234. I was talking about Floyd's punching power versus Cotto's punching power. I was even talking about Pacquiao.

his hands are always swollen after fights, don't know how much he puts in all force in his punches I would have expected to see more damage on the left hand though, but the post fight interview clearly showed there doesn't seem to be any problem on that side..

stop arguing w/ flomos... let them underestimate pac agree..now they're saying mayweather's speed will do it for pac...hmmm..okay

Anybody know the deal on Pac right hand? They noted that it was swollen or something after the fight and it seems like he's wearing a brace of some sort (even now I think). Did he fracture something? his hands are always swollen after fights, don't know how much he puts in all force in his punches

Pacquiao's defence was far better for the De La Hoya fight. His relentless head movement shocked me, and his in-out method of dismantling Oskie was IMO more effective than his gung-ho approach with Cotto. I don't know which one he should use against Mayweather, though... it's clear pac respected ODLH's punches more than he respected cotto's - that is, it was his first fight at WW, he might give it all now to ODLH and KD/KO him.

Anybody know the deal on Pac right hand? They noted that it was swollen or something after the fight and it seems like he's wearing a brace of some sort (even now I think). Did he fracture something?

When Manny returned to the Philippines he mentioned that he was in huge pain after the fight (particularly his damaged ear). Even though he ran through Cotto's shots, there's no doubt that he hated getting punished in that manner. This might make Manny prepare differently for future welterweights. It's that kind of accumulated punishment that give boxers brain damage.

When he actually feels like parryin or dodgin punches Pac does fine wit that. But for all improvement in his style he'll never be a defensive wizard. But til he fights somebody wit power who can land wit enuf regularity to KO him, he'll get away wit it. think of it this way, would you rather have perfect defense or perfect offense? Manny chose offense. Mayweather has better defense but in doing so he doesn't throw any combinations and has a very low punch out put since most of the time he is spent covering up. It's basically an offensive master vs a defensive master. Pacquiao is great at hitting oponents, he hits them when they have no idea when its coming. Mayweather is very good on the other hand at seeing punches coming and avoiding them. It's going to be a good fight..

I finally rewatched Cotto-Pacquiao. Frankly it was too disappointing, as a Cotto fan, to watch it again, so I held off for a while. Watching again, I realized Cotto was far more effective offensively than I remembered. He was hitting Pacquiao with flush punches all night. Pacquiao's only real defense was to stick his hands straight up. Not a lot of slipping, dodging, or anything really. He basically figured out Cotto could not hurt him, and walked straight through everything. In his career, and against Cotto, he's been able to do this because of his speed and his overall offense. His chin is incredible clearly, and it's going to be tough for anyone to hurt him. However, this concerns me about his chances in a Mayweather fight. Mayweather is not looking for a KO like most fighters, so whether Pac can take his punch will not matter as much. The point is, that Mayweather will probably be landing on Pacquiao, a lot. Mayweather landed 59% against Marquez, while Pacquiao landed only 23% on Marquez. The question is whether you think Pacquiao can land enough on Mayweather, even though he's going to get hit a lot against Floyd. That, or you're hoping for a KO. well it helps when Manny puts his hands in the air and tells him to hit him. Manny is deceptively defensive. He's very good at slipping things while attacking. He took 2-3 good shots in that fight but everything else wasn't anything special. He fights differently in every fight. In the Oscar fight he never stopped moving and pretty much avoided everything.

When he actually feels like parryin or dodgin punches Pac does fine wit that. But for all improvement in his style he'll never be a defensive wizard. But til he fights somebody wit power who can land wit enuf regularity to KO him, he'll get away wit it.