Valuev is in big trouble !!!!!

Rumours originating from where? :thinking: Haye generally keeps himself tucked away at his home on the island of Cyprus, claiming the warm Mediterranean weather and lack of distractions offer a more suitable training environment. However, promotional commitments for the Valuev bout have largely kept him in wintry London, and speculation is rife that his preparation has been less than ideal. http://www.ringtv.com/blog/1277/hayes_biggest_test__in_more_ways_than_one/

There are some rumors that Haye's training camp hasn't gone as well as some in the past, I think he's been training in the UK for this one whereas he has trained in Cyprus for his most recent fights. Still think Haye will win though.

He ain't gettin KO'd, but he'll lose.

Sadly Haye's speed isn't practically applied by him in the ring due to his lazy and flatfooted punching style coupled with terrible lateral movement. Maybe his hands are fast, but his feet certainly aren't and when he tires his offense gets wide open leaving easy opportunities for a well conditioned counterpuncher like Chagaev to take him down. I honestly can't see where you would get such a high opinion of Haye who has not really proven anything as a Heavyweight. Chagaev on the other hand has handed at least 3 different Heavyweights their first career loss and has been a solid 230 lbs his entire career. He has excellent amateur background and never lost his title in the ring. He is the rightful WBA champion and anyone who follows boxing knows that Valuev-Haye is a sham of a fight for a fake belt. Haye's speed isnt pratcically applied are you nuts ??? , ok Haye is slightly raw and i agree Chagaev fundamentally may have the edge in his boxing ability , but Haye gives that advantage to nearly all of the current HW's , no one gives a shit about what Chagaev done in the AMA's because this is here and now , yes he has a better AMA pedigree but he is now a seasoned pro it means nothing now !!!!!! Haye has an edge over the current crop of HW's in the speed department , im talking plain and simple hand speed here , like you say he doesnt use his footwork to avoid punches he slips them and stays in the pocket , sometimes he can be wreckless but you have to speculate to accumulate . Fact is Chagaev has never fought anybody in the paid ranks with Haye's hand speed , and IMO Haye hits Chagaev from the outside as and when he feels like , Chagaev's only hope is that he doesnt get bombed out before Haye gets tired wears him down on the inside and looks for a late stoppage !!!!!!

I like you Hitman because you talk shite and sadly enough i like getting into arguments about boxing with people who talk shite !!!!!! I dont pick fighters on speed alone in any fight or against any other fighters that would be silly , my point is this , Haye has a superior speed & power advantage over Chagaev who happens to be a light hitting slow HW , so much so that i beleive Haye would KO him . Why do you beleive otherwise ???????? chageav is not a light hitter and haye's power is still unknown at heavyweight. knocking out a shot weak chinned monte barret proves nothing

Big guy you must be shitting me , Chagaev beats Haye !!!!!!! What advantages would you give to Chagaev in the ring that leads you to that conclusion ?????? chageav would beat haye. southpaw stance,,,craftier,,better chin and stamina. chageav is no joke,,wlad just made him look bad

I dont pick fighters on speed alone in any fight or against any other fighters that would be silly , my point is this , Haye has a superior speed & power advantage over Chagaev who happens to be a light hitting slow HW , so much so that i beleive Haye would KO him . Sadly Haye's speed isn't practically applied by him in the ring due to his lazy and flatfooted punching style coupled with terrible lateral movement. Maybe his hands are fast, but his feet certainly aren't and when he tires his offense gets wide open leaving easy opportunities for a well conditioned counterpuncher like Chagaev to take him down. I honestly can't see where you would get such a high opinion of Haye who has not really proven anything as a Heavyweight. Chagaev on the other hand has handed at least 3 different Heavyweights their first career loss and has been a solid 230 lbs his entire career. He has excellent amateur background and never lost his title in the ring. He is the rightful WBA champion and anyone who follows boxing knows that Valuev-Haye is a sham of a fight for a fake belt.

Its a very open fight. 1: Valuev KOs Haye (rather lucky, but fully possible) 2: Haye beats Valuev by wide UD.

Using your rationale I would pick Usain Bolt to beat Wlad Klitschko cause he's like 4 times as fast dude........... I like you Hitman because you talk shite and sadly enough i like getting into arguments about boxing with people who talk shite !!!!!! I dont pick fighters on speed alone in any fight or against any other fighters that would be silly , my point is this , Haye has a superior speed & power advantage over Chagaev who happens to be a light hitting slow HW , so much so that i beleive Haye would KO him . Why do you beleive otherwise ????????

Chagaev would not and could not beat Haye to the punch in any exchange , he may win on the inside but thats it , his movement is slow and predictable , Haye hits harder and is twice as fast its a no brainer !!!!!!! Using your rationale I would pick Usain Bolt to beat Wlad Klitschko cause he's like 4 times as fast dude...........

Chagaev has been on the slide. He was a talented Heavyweight, but I guess he has his own problems health-wise. When you're dropping rounds against Matt Skelton you can't be a great heavyweight. That said, Chagaev's left-hook would probably decapitate Haye if Haye was too aggressive. another thing: I'll have 20K on Valuev beating the Hayemaker if anyone is up for it. My head just keeps saying Valuev so loudly that my heart is only whispering Haye. Hayemaker is getting clubbed out of there down the stretch. Hope I'm wrong. 20K on Valuev, I'll have some of that.

MOnte Barrett was tailor made for Haye. Enzo Macc was tailor made for Haye. Carl Thompson was tailor made for Haye. Ruslan Chagaev would knock him out. I like the way you cut the bit out that makes you look ****in stupid !!!!!! Chagaev would not and could not beat Haye to the punch in any exchange , he may win on the inside but thats it , his movement is slow and predictable , Haye hits harder and is twice as fast its a no brainer !!!!!!!

I certainly did not say Haye punches harder than Wlad, nor did I imply it. Haye doesn't hit anywhere near as hard as Klitschko who was unable to seriously hurt Chagaev with any of the punches he landed. Not a chance that Haye beats Chagaev. The fact that Ruslan was dominated by Wlad makes people think he is average but he is light years better than the undiscplined Haye. The reason Haye has gone for Valuev straight away is because he would stand such a high chance of losing to any decent heavyweight and would stand little chance against one as seasoned as Chagaev. Wlad may hit harder than Haye in 1 punch exchanges but Haye doesnt throw 1 punch like Wlad , he throws a variety of punches from different angles something we dont see from any of the current HW's also at a good speed too !!!!!! The reason Chag never got KO'd or stopped is because Wlad does not throw punches in bunches or put any combinations together , he follows his jab with a straight RH every time , notning different !!!!!!

Anyway back to reality , Chagaev is an undersized HW with no speed what so ever , yes his ring craft is better than Haye's and he moves more laterally than Haye but he is tailor made for Haye , Wlad used him as a punch bag and should of KO'd him inside 5 only for the defensive first strategy , yes Chagaev is a south paw and is awkward but that dont mean shit !!!!!! Haye has better hand speed is more skillfull and hits twice as hard as Chagaev , Haye stops him easily !!!!!!! MOnte Barrett was tailor made for Haye. Enzo Macc was tailor made for Haye. Carl Thompson was tailor made for Haye. Ruslan Chagaev would knock him out.

I certainly did not say Haye punches harder than Wlad, nor did I imply it. Haye doesn't hit anywhere near as hard as Klitschko who was unable to seriously hurt Chagaev with any of the punches he landed. Not a chance that Haye beats Chagaev. The fact that Ruslan was dominated by Wlad makes people think he is average but he is light years better than the undiscplined Haye. The reason Haye has gone for Valuev straight away is because he would stand such a high chance of losing to any decent heavyweight and would stand little chance against one as seasoned as Chagaev. Chagaev has been on the slide. He was a talented Heavyweight, but I guess he has his own problems health-wise. When you're dropping rounds against Matt Skelton you can't be a great heavyweight. That said, Chagaev's left-hook would probably decapitate Haye if Haye was too aggressive. another thing: I'll have 20K on Valuev beating the Hayemaker if anyone is up for it. My head just keeps saying Valuev so loudly that my heart is only whispering Haye. Hayemaker is getting clubbed out of there down the stretch. Hope I'm wrong.

Chagaev would have the advantage in basically every single technical aspect of the sport. He takes a punch better, he is much smarter, he is left handed, better defensively. Easy fight for Chagaev, it would take him about 5 rounds to figure Haye out and he would be able to KO him with one clean punch. Im sorry Hitman i dont play the rep power game i just talk straight facts , and 147 posts makes me a useless boxing fan right ????? :****you::****you: Anyway back to reality , Chagaev is an undersized HW with no speed what so ever , yes his ring craft is better than Haye's and he moves more laterally than Haye but he is tailor made for Haye , Wlad used him as a punch bag and should of KO'd him inside 5 only for the defensive first strategy , yes Chagaev is a south paw and is awkward but that dont mean shit !!!!!! Haye has better hand speed is more skillfull and hits twice as hard as Chagaev , Haye stops him easily !!!!!!!

I certainly did not say Haye punches harder than Wlad, nor did I imply it. Haye doesn't hit anywhere near as hard as Klitschko who was unable to seriously hurt Chagaev with any of the punches he landed. Not a chance that Haye beats Chagaev. The fact that Ruslan was dominated by Wlad makes people think he is average but he is light years better than the undiscplined Haye. The reason Haye has gone for Valuev straight away is because he would stand such a high chance of losing to any decent heavyweight and would stand little chance against one as seasoned as Chagaev. nor was I implying, you stated though that Chagaev has a good chin, but was knockdown by Wlad and was finally stopped. I merely pointed out that Haye can punch, but asked can he punch harder than Wlad. And the reason Haye is fighting Valuev and none of the Klits was purely down to boxing politics.

Haye can punch, harder than Wlad? I don't know. But Haye would certainly test Chagaev, in fact I fancy Haye over Chagaev, too quick I feel. I certainly did not say Haye punches harder than Wlad, nor did I imply it. Haye doesn't hit anywhere near as hard as Klitschko who was unable to seriously hurt Chagaev with any of the punches he landed. Not a chance that Haye beats Chagaev. The fact that Ruslan was dominated by Wlad makes people think he is average but he is light years better than the undiscplined Haye. The reason Haye has gone for Valuev straight away is because he would stand such a high chance of losing to any decent heavyweight and would stand little chance against one as seasoned as Chagaev.

Valuev will be punished Saturday, i've no doubt about it. Valuev is going to get banged all night, the sharpness and quickness of Haye will all be to much for the giant to deal with. It will be like cat and mouse in there...All Haye has to do is stay well away and land bombs at distance, in-out. Decision for Haye.

Chagaev would have the advantage in basically every single technical aspect of the sport. He takes a punch better, he is much smarter, he is left handed, better defensively. Easy fight for Chagaev, it would take him about 5 rounds to figure Haye out and he would be able to KO him with one clean punch. Haye can punch, harder than Wlad? I don't know. But Haye would certainly test Chagaev, in fact I fancy Haye over Chagaev, too quick I feel.