I really Dislike Nacho Beristain

They make some stupid decisions. First taking the floyd fight, he has very little chance and I believe floyd was making what 80% of it? The trainer even said JMM has very little chance so why take the fight if you dont believe your guy can win? JMM should have went after Hatton because I believe Hatton will fight on. It is a more winnable fight than PBF for him and he would make more money doing it because Hatton is a bigger draw. Not to mention the urine drinking and not taking the big money to fight Morales and running over to ****ing indonesia to fight Chris John for 35k.

i really dislike PBF, but I know he's one of the greatest I've ever seen period. you and me both!!!!!

Who's a better trainer than Nacho at the moment?? dude in my avi.......as well as Roach!!!......but Nacho is Top 3 material just not the BEST imo!!!

Beristain is one of the best. Trained many World champs and is clearly very knowledgeable about the sport. To say that he is overated is absolutley shocking to me.

he wasn't there for mayol this weekend

But he is going to be there you tool. He's got other fighters that he needs to take care of too you know and that shows that, unlike some other trainers ie. Roach etc, he won't leave his lesser paying fighters in the lurch just because one fighter is getting way more money for a fight. You do realise that it is only for a couple of days and he will be there well before the fight day and weigh in? As for those guys being better than Beristain, how many of them have trained as good a fighters from the very beginning (instead of half of them only getting their best fighters most of the way through their career already) as Humberto Gonzalez, Ricardo Lopez, Zaragoza, Marquez bro's, Gilberto Roman, Melchor Cob Castro, etc all of whom either are HOF'ers or will be soon, plus some of the best young prospects in the game today in Abner Mares and Vincente Escobedo (and that is just a very few among the many other champions he has trained). I can't even figure out where you are getting all this "He's a cocky prick" etc etc from anyway? How many other trainers will straight up admit that his fighter is looking terrible in training? Very few would ever do that. But, he doesn't care about the BS of politics and unlike a Mayweather who will rant and rave about his fighter being the best and the only way he will ever be good is if he is with him is crap! FM Sr, bagged him recently about his training of Oscar and said that if Oscar was with him he never would lost, yet he goes on to train Hatton who gets completely drilled in the second round, and he shits on Beristain? But, I think that's one of the great things about him. He will admit and actually say how his fighter is going. If he is not looking good instead of talking shite and saying he's going brilliantly, he will say "No, he isn't fast enough yet" etc etc. It's good. Some fighters are simply past it, and Oscar was about as past it as you can be for a fighter. No one could have made him win that fight. I don't think so. Roach also does that. I think he left pac to attend to penalosa fight against juanma.

lol the only thing left to say is dumbass

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Even though I agree, Escobedo hasn't won his title yet. Nonetheless, that's very true. He really does make fighters technically about as close to perfect as you could be. Just check out how good Gonzalez became over the course of his career. He came out of the amateurs with good skills, but mainly a power puncher and slowly developed into one of the most perfect boxer/punchers you're likely to see. If ever you wanted to show tapes to a young boxer of the perfect fighter, you would show him tapes of Beristain's guys. co-sign.......

i respect the fact that he's there for the other fighters in his stable, not just the big names...freddie roach was supposed to be in mayol's corner saturday night but i guess he was too busy with his cash cow

The most overrated trainer in the sport IMO. This cat had Oscar weight drained he talks shitin Spanish to a classy freddie and to top it off he comes off like a cocky son of a bitch. His meal ticket jmm is going in on his biggest fight of his life and he comes off talkin about I don't need to feed him. Bernstien is the same idiot that sent jmm to Indonesia instead of rematching paquiao. Bernstein is probably that dumb ass that made jmm think drinking his own piss is cool. Nacho bernstien looks like he is always constipated becausehetalks out of his ass. Jmm is the man because of will n determination n he fails in out of the ring smarts. Yep he got a nice car, Cuban cigars, willing Mexican boxers that are dedicated.....but he is still a bad advisor just look at his track record. You can dispute the Most Overrated Trained in the Sport IMO but what else can you really dispute. Lol at classy Freddie. Freddie has more articles talking shit about people on here then anyone else lately.

Nacho seems cool to me, then again i respect my elders.

lol stfu... u dont even know him... he knows his shit... nacho>>>. roach

sorry thread poster but Oscar weight drained himself when he decided to sign the contract and agree to come into the fight no more than a pound over 147, which is stupid because when Oscar was a prime welterweight he'd come in on fight night at about 155 or higher

^^^This^^^ How can he be overrated as a trainer, if he's sculpting fighters from the amateurs to pro championships? The man is even taking someone like Vincente Escobedo with no elite talent to titles. Daniel Zaragoza, Humberto Gonzalez, Ricardo Lopez, and Juan Manuel & Rafael Marquez. No other trainer has trained 5 fighters as good or better from the beginning to end like Nacho. As far as technique goes, Beristain trained fighters are some of the best and most efficient. Have you ever seen Ricardo Lopez' technique? Do you see how the Marquez bros. handle southpaws? Nacho's training credentials can't be questioned. Even though I agree, Escobedo hasn't won his title yet. Nonetheless, that's very true. He really does make fighters technically about as close to perfect as you could be. Just check out how good Gonzalez became over the course of his career. He came out of the amateurs with good skills, but mainly a power puncher and slowly developed into one of the most perfect boxer/punchers you're likely to see. If ever you wanted to show tapes to a young boxer of the perfect fighter, you would show him tapes of Beristain's guys.

Your #1 guy/Trainer/Manager/Mentor doesn't feel its important to be by your side in the biggest fight of both of your professional career is a bad decision. But he is going to be there you tool. He's got other fighters that he needs to take care of too you know and that shows that, unlike some other trainers ie. Roach etc, he won't leave his lesser paying fighters in the lurch just because one fighter is getting way more money for a fight. You do realise that it is only for a couple of days and he will be there well before the fight day and weigh in? As for those guys being better than Beristain, how many of them have trained as good a fighters from the very beginning (instead of half of them only getting their best fighters most of the way through their career already) as Humberto Gonzalez, Ricardo Lopez, Zaragoza, Marquez bro's, Gilberto Roman, Melchor Cob Castro, etc all of whom either are HOF'ers or will be soon, plus some of the best young prospects in the game today in Abner Mares and Vincente Escobedo (and that is just a very few among the many other champions he has trained). I can't even figure out where you are getting all this "He's a cocky prick" etc etc from anyway? How many other trainers will straight up admit that his fighter is looking terrible in training? Very few would ever do that. But, he doesn't care about the BS of politics and unlike a Mayweather who will rant and rave about his fighter being the best and the only way he will ever be good is if he is with him is crap! FM Sr, bagged him recently about his training of Oscar and said that if Oscar was with him he never would lost, yet he goes on to train Hatton who gets completely drilled in the second round, and he shits on Beristain? But, I think that's one of the great things about him. He will admit and actually say how his fighter is going. If he is not looking good instead of talking shite and saying he's going brilliantly, he will say "No, he isn't fast enough yet" etc etc. It's good. Some fighters are simply past it, and Oscar was about as past it as you can be for a fighter. No one could have made him win that fight.

If Freddie Roach's fighter did not have natural speed and power(two things that cannot be taught), his fighter would have walked out with 2 losses against you know who. Nazim Richardson trains 2 veteran fighters that cant learn anything new and he gets hype when they win, he has never shaped a fighter. Nacho is producing much more at the moment than Steward is. Birmingham? are you serious? hes trained 1 world class fighter in the past 2 years, Winky to a loss. I was reading your posts through out this thread and on one of them you said you are not discrediting his accomplishments. ^^^This^^^ How can he be overrated as a trainer, if he's sculpting fighters from the amateurs to pro championships? The man is even taking someone like Vincente Escobedo with no elite talent to titles. Daniel Zaragoza, Humberto Gonzalez, Ricardo Lopez, and Juan Manuel & Rafael Marquez. No other trainer has trained 5 fighters as good or better from the beginning to end like Nacho. As far as technique goes, Beristain trained fighters are some of the best and most efficient. Have you ever seen Ricardo Lopez' technique? Do you see how the Marquez bros. handle southpaws? Nacho's training credentials can't be questioned.

The most overrated trainer in the sport IMO. This cat had Oscar weight drained he talks shitin Spanish to a classy freddie and to top it off he comes off like a cocky son of a bitch. His meal ticket jmm is going in on his biggest fight of his life and he comes off talkin about I don't need to feed him. Bernstien is the same idiot that sent jmm to Indonesia instead of rematching paquiao. Bernstein is probably that dumb ass that made jmm think drinking his own piss is cool. Nacho bernstien looks like he is always constipated becausehetalks out of his ass. Jmm is the man because of will n determination n he fails in out of the ring smarts. Yep he got a nice car, Cuban cigars, willing Mexican boxers that are dedicated.....but he is still a bad advisor just look at his track record. You can dispute the Most Overrated Trained in the Sport IMO but what else can you really dispute. Jesus christ, but you are a dumb cunt. Bad track record? Explain his bad track record? Maybe you don't realise he's one of the most successful trainers ever, period. Also, the weight has nothing to do with the trainer. They actually have nutritionists today in boxing who take care of the weight.:dunce: Beristain is Marquez' trainer, his boxing coach. He advises him on which fights to take etc etc but he has nothing to do with Marquez' diet or any other stuff like that. Most overrated trainer? Ask anyone that is smart and actually knows what they are talking about, and inevitably they will say that many of the most technically proficient boxers in the sports history (and without a doubt the best Mexican fighters) have come through Beristain's camp. Not only that but if you want to find the guys that throw the best combinations in the sport today and also from the past, you just go look at Beristain's fighters. :nonono:

The most overrated trainer in the sport IMO. This cat had Oscar weight drained he talks shitin Spanish to a classy freddie and to top it off he comes off like a cocky son of a bitch. His meal ticket jmm is going in on his biggest fight of his life and he comes off talkin about I don't need to feed him. Bernstien is the same idiot that sent jmm to Indonesia instead of rematching paquiao. Bernstein is probably that dumb ass that made jmm think drinking his own piss is cool. Nacho bernstien looks like he is always constipated becausehetalks out of his ass. Jmm is the man because of will n determination n he fails in out of the ring smarts. Yep he got a nice car, Cuban cigars, willing Mexican boxers that are dedicated.....but he is still a bad advisor just look at his track record. You can dispute the Most Overrated Trained in the Sport IMO but what else can you really dispute. I dont know if you know this, but everything in this fight spelled "fixed", blaming anything from that scam of a fight on Nacho is no where near right. Top Rank does not get enough heat for JMM's weak early career, go ask Nacho what Top Rank offered them and with what conditions for a rematch with Arum's favorite up and coming prized fighter and future piggy bank.

What the hell brought on this? The previous thread of I'm in love with Nacho Beristain. I didn't say hate just dislike.