i hate to start another assault in the ring thread, but i see a lot guys saying things like "thank god panama never was allowed near a ring again" or something like that...are you guys serious? panama's been training guys for years, some of your favorite fighters too, guys like gatti, tyson, etc....and as a trainer he's always been highly regarded, when i first heard of him it was as a legit trainer, no one ever mentioned the collins incident..just food for thought