Is pac really "proven" at 140/147

Was he proven @135?

I was reading a comparison thread of jmm/pbf catchweight vs cotto/pac and it got me thinking. One of the biggest issues people have with jmm/pbf is that jmm is new to the weight and he's unproven to be successful at that weight. Given that so many people don't give Pac credit for his fights at 140 and 147, how can they say he's proven at those weights? Its kinda silly to say Pac's a LWW at the same time his one fight at that weight was a "fluke" where Hatton could have been knocked out by anybody. So which is it, did he prove himself above 140 against hatton and DLH or were the flukes and he should still be considered a 135 pounder? he is proven at 140, but not proven at 147.

He completely obliterated the reigning no question 140 pound champ, so I think he is proven at 140. It's easy in hindsight to make excuses and act like everyone knew Hatton was shot, but no one thought Hatton would get wiped out like that, and no one was claiming anyone else at 140 was the real champ. As for his whole career, how is he not proven? He knocked out Barrera when he was the no question top fighter at featherweight and was only a year removed from beating Morales. He pretty much destroyed everyone he has fought since then with the exception of one fight to Morales and 2 fights with Marquez, in which he has a draw and a win. He's not proven at 147, but he hasn't fought there so no one is claiming he is.

Pink? See that's what you cannot see. The 2 fighters are not making excuses, it's the idiot fans for both fighters that are making excuses. Cotto is okay with 65-35 or 70-30 split, he is okay with 145-147, just does not want to fight at lower than 145 and pacman does not want to fight at 146-147.

LOL I love how dejavous was damn near jumping out of his seat agreeing with you tho :) soooooooo funny.

hahaha :dance: it's so bad the cotto stans are already using the weight drained and past prime excuse and pac hasn't even won yet! lol Cotto fans might be making excuses....cotto does not make excuses. Fans...are idiots.

I was reading a comparison thread of jmm/pbf catchweight vs cotto/pac and it got me thinking. One of the biggest issues people have with jmm/pbf is that jmm is new to the weight and he's unproven to be successful at that weight. Given that so many people don't give Pac credit for his fights at 140 and 147, how can they say he's proven at those weights? Its kinda silly to say Pac's a LWW at the same time his one fight at that weight was a "fluke" where Hatton could have been knocked out by anybody. So which is it, did he prove himself above 140 against hatton and DLH or were the flukes and he should still be considered a 135 pounder? Hatton? Oscar? PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE ! My 10 yr old neice would've embarrasssed the oscar that fought pacman. Hatton? Cannot waste my comment on him.

He said pie chart, your data doesn't count. Here's the Pacquiao victories pie chart: http://rlv.zcache.com/percentage_of_pie_chart_that_resembles_pac_man_tshirt-p235642643519498255trlf_400.jpg Yellow = weight-drained bums Purple = had sex the night before (weak when they fought Pac) LOL Sorry about not getting the sarcasm, I thought you were at first then I saw you follow it up with more of the same stuff...sadly, sarcasm doesn't bode well on forums :( I love how dejavous was damn near jumping out of his seat agreeing with you tho :)

sasakul - nobody ledwaba - black african not american barrera - old , shot , past prime , forest fires marquez - beat him both times morales - old , shot , past prime , weight drained delahoya - old , shot , past prime , weight drained , ate kangaroo meat hatton - sucked He said pie chart, your data doesn't count. Here's the Pacquiao victories pie chart: http://rlv.zcache.com/percentage_of_pie_chart_that_resembles_pac_man_tshirt-p235642643519498255trlf_400.jpg Yellow = weight-drained bums Purple = had sex the night before (weak when they fought Pac)

sasakul - nobody ledwaba - black african not american barrera - old , shot , past prime , forest fires marquez - beat him both times morales - old , shot , past prime , weight drained delahoya - old , shot , past prime , weight drained , ate kangaroo meat hatton - sucked Thanks pinky, but you forgot that Delahoya had a run in his stocking for that fight. Good one Sucka.

I just realized nobody got my sarcasm (including my first post) :D You can make a negative argument about every fighter's resume. Yes, that includes Sugar Ray Robinson, Muhammad Ali, Rocky Marciano, etc. Nobody is exempt, nobody. Gotcha :nana:

I think Pacman is proven at 140!!I did not expect him to destroy Hatton the way he did and as far as I'm concerned Hatton was the legit kingpin!!My jaws hit the floor when Pacman steamrolled im!!

Suckapunch's posts are moronic. You're not even in the minority you're just in the haterity. Pac's resume is phenomenal. He sure as hell ain't proven at 147 (he's never weighed in at 147) but at 140 he beat the ring mag champ, the biggest name, and a guy who was a beast at 140 since 2005. That's proven enough for me.

can you please make a pie chart of his opponents so I can see exactly what excuse bracket they are in? By the way, getting punched in the face for a living = stress. All fighters have an excuse. I just realized nobody got my sarcasm (including my first post) :D You can make a negative argument about every fighter's resume. Yes, that includes Sugar Ray Robinson, Muhammad Ali, Rocky Marciano, etc. Nobody is exempt, nobody.

Didn't you read what I just wrote: "He fought guys who were either shot, distracted, weight-drained, glass chins, etc." Ledwaba was classified under the "distracted" category. Ledwaba was very stressed coming into the fight because Pac was a late replacement and couldn't find any videotapes of him. stress = distraction can you please make a pie chart of his opponents so I can see exactly what excuse bracket they are in? By the way, getting punched in the face for a living = stress. All fighters have an excuse.

As far as I'm concerned, Pac hasn't proven jack sh*t his entire career. He fought guys who were either shot, distracted, weight-drained, glass chins, etc. It's all an illusion and rather flawless matchmaking. Whoever says Pac is even in the hall of fame is an idiot. That makes almost the entire boxing world idiots including experts and HOF fighters who have praised Manny for being the best. Yeah they are idiots and you are the true authority. hahahaha!

lets see he fought dlh a drained and old version of the golden boy he did'nt even throu 10 punches in what 8 round.then fatton who stick hes chin up.for me hes not proven. I disagree but am still green king you for your pics.

Wow, an excuse for every fight. Talk about hate. So who should he have fought instead of MAB, Morales, JMM??? Just smile and know that this guy is opinions are hater based and that nobody really believes him.

Hatton beat malignaggi..well WHOOPTY DOO. His resume at 140 is better than JMM and Floyds. He has no resume at 147, the oscar fight doesn't count.

Pac ain't a WW even if he beat DLH. That don't make him legit there. He's the best fighter at 140 and won the world title in his 1st fight there. But he should defend there instead of worryin about Cotto.