Should Andrade have a KO12 win over Bute?

Beating a count is only half the story. He was in no state to continue and if there had been any more time on the clock to fight, I would have been totally disgusted at any referee allowing a fighter to risk his health, possibly being killed. Put it this way, if Andrade was in the state Bute was in, how many of you think the fight would have been stopped? I agree with that bit and i still feel like the ref should have stopped the fight even before the last KD and am pretty sure if it was the other way round the ref would have use that opportunity to stop the fight like the ref in the chavez/Taylor fight.

It takes a shit load of heart to get back up when spending your stamina completely. Butes chin and body are fine, I think he wasted his stamina winning rounds. There wasn't any time left on the clock for Andrade to do anything more, and I believe the right man won. Andrade looked like poop the entire fight only winning round 5. I'm not going to cry a river for him, he should learn to be more technically sound. Get a new trainer or something. In rematch Bute probably will train his stamina better, or pick his shots better and not waste his punches as much as he did. Plus, in a rematch he might want to choose to have a ref that will allow him to clinch at times through 12 rounds. I noticed in the 11th round when the ref told them to stop clinching thats when Bute was getting caught cleanly. Andrade wins on the chin, and stamina department but his skills suck balls.

Beating a count is only half the story. He was in no state to continue and if there had been any more time on the clock to fight, I would have been totally disgusted at any referee allowing a fighter to risk his health, possibly being killed. Put it this way, if Andrade was in the state Bute was in, how many of you think the fight would have been stopped? 100% free webcam site! | Awesome chicks and it is absolutely free! | Watch free live sex cam - easy as 1-2-3

I was rooting for bute, but he beat the count anyways so I think he wins.

I wasn't rooting for anyone. Totally unbiased here. My opinion is that Andrade should have won the fight. Even the referee said himself that, if it wasn't for Andrade coming out of his corner, he would have ruled it a KO. All of this depends on what you want to call "being out of the corner". Andrade was a few feet away from the ring post, I think. He certainly wasn't inside the televised view, and nowhere near close to Bute. The referee was being unnecessarily picky and it looks to me (a neutral, non-biased viewer) that the ref was doing Bute favors at least a couple of times during the fight. By the way, it was early in the fight when I said to my girlfriend (who was also watching) that Bute was gonna get KO'd late. I KNEW IT. He only said that because of the guy who did the interview, The guy suggest to the referee that does he think he has caused andrade a KO, In which the referee replied no that "andrade cause himself a KO".... The man should have been stopped earlier on because Bute was totally out of it and the referee's excuse about the neutral corner was totally biased but Bute made the count and survives.

I think EVERY SINGLE POSTER in this thread should edit their posts and confess who they were rooting for in addition to what they think should've been ruled. I wasn't rooting for anyone. Totally unbiased here. My opinion is that Andrade should have won the fight. Even the referee said himself that, if it wasn't for Andrade coming out of his corner, he would have ruled it a KO. All of this depends on what you want to call "being out of the corner". Andrade was a few feet away from the ring post, I think. He certainly wasn't inside the televised view, and nowhere near close to Bute. The referee was being unnecessarily picky and it looks to me (a neutral, non-biased viewer) that the ref was doing Bute favors at least a couple of times during the fight. By the way, it was early in the fight when I said to my girlfriend (who was also watching) that Bute was gonna get KO'd late. I KNEW IT. 100% free webcam site! | Awesome chicks and it is absolutely free! | Watch free live sex cam - easy as 1-2-3

I don't know why the ref awarded Bute the knock down when it was a slip, but that wouldn't have effected the fight anyways at that point since Andrade lost every single round except the 5th. Wasn't that his gameplan? Andrade KNEW he couldn't outbox Bute, so he left it until Bute was tired enough to be knocked out, which is exactly what he did. That was the plan, I am sure of it. If the fight had carried on, Bute's health would have been in extremely serious danger. A single hard shot would have put his lights out completely. He's lucky, to say the least. He couldn't even walk back to his corner properly, long after the fight had finished. So, while he may have been up with 8 seconds or whatever it actually was, he was clearly unfit to continue. 100% free webcam site! | Awesome chicks and it is absolutely free! | Watch free live sex cam - easy as 1-2-3

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=JGM6WAfosj0 TKO for Andrade, no question about it. Bute had to support himself on the ropes to avoid hitting the canvas earlier (look at 0:18!! in that clip), he was all over the show and not throwing anything back but taking massive hits. For his own safety he should have been pulled out of there. Andrade won the fight but lost the decision to some shocking refereeing If you look again, you may notice that he reason why Bute was "supporting himself" on the ropes is that Andrade pushed him with his right hand on the back of the head. In the 20 last seconds, only 2 punches hit Bute straight. One of them could be called "massive hit" (the one before Bute move back to the other corner). Andrade really wasn't accurate. I'd have understood if the ref had stopped the fight, but the decision he made wasn't that bad either.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=JGM6WAfosj0 TKO for Andrade, no question about it. Bute had to support himself on the ropes to avoid hitting the canvas earlier (look at 0:18!! in that clip), he was all over the show and not throwing anything back but taking massive hits. For his own safety he should have been pulled out of there. Andrade won the fight but lost the decision to some shocking refereeing

But it is the referee's prerogative to decide on whether a fighter is ok to continue. That's how the Chavez-Taylor fight is justified. Many refs would agree than when the time runs out all the fighter has to do is beat the count (and I thought Bute looked worse than Taylor). This all became moot when the ref got weird about Librado allegedly leaving his corner. Last night I thought that Andrade got jobbed, but after reviewing it today I think Bute had a legit win despite the piss poor job by the hometown ref. I think EVERY SINGLE POSTER in this thread should edit their posts and confess who they were rooting for in addition to what they think should've been ruled. Then we'd see a little bias within some of them (not saying you're biased Scott). I was rooting for Andrade, I was outraged when the fight was finished and Bute got the decision. But then I watched that part over and over again and Bute beat the count (however dazed he would've been). This is the first TIME I've heard that leaning on the ropes is not standing up...one of the more technical aspects a ref should watch out for apparently. I found myself looking back on Chavez-Taylor. Though I wasn't alive back then, I'm sure I would've been rooting for Taylor and been outraged by the stoppage. Both fights had a devastating knockdown in the closing seconds of the final round and both fighters were very hurt, but given their admirable performance throughout the entire fight, should the winning fighter be allowed to stay in the fight since he's won nearly every round? My point is, if you are one to state that Bute should've been allowed to continue, then Taylor should've been allowed to continue (using the criteria you might be using). Mere Seconds left Depriving a man of a unanimous decision win over one knockdown I started to think, well let's see if this is just bias. Be honest: Take your favorite fighter, he is WHIPPING on his opponent throughout the fight (winning let's say 9 rounds out of 11) and in the 12th he gets pummeled and stumbles and gets knocked down when there's 6 or 7 seconds in the fight. He gets up at 8 or 9 (he is absolutely beat up without stamina), the bell's sounded but the ref has to make the call in the next couple seconds. If he stops the fight, would you protest? Given that your fighter outclassed his opponent for a grand majority of the fight and was deprived of his win over a stoppage (sparing from further punishment when there is no further punishment to give since the bell's sounded). If he doesn't stop the fight, your fighter gets the win, but that win will be looked upon as a really close call. He gets the win, but with such a heated debate from the loser's team, there would be immense controversy and arguments from both ways of the spectrum. It is just a bad, bad situation, and I feel bad for the ref who had to be in that situation. One way or the other, he was going to take serious heat from the camps. EDIT: Reading over some of the posts on this page, I agree with RayCorey. That knockdown punch Andrade landed was absolutely FLUSH and yeah...that had STOPPAGE written all over it. But with the time it took for Bute to get up so slowly...the ref yelling Andrade to "Go to your corner!" around four times (why the hell since the fight's essentially over)...and the delayed count made it all controversial. If the ref had it stopped at that moment...controversy. If the fight had been stopped RIGHT AFTER Andrade landed that punch...it would've been a more tolerable stoppage with little protest.

what a phucking robbery that fight was with a crooked dumb ass ref...rematch!!!

If Chavez gets a TKO12 over Melderick Taylor, then under those same guidelines of officiating Bute should have been stopped. He was totally and completely gone. This doesn't make Bute look good because even though he dominated most of the fight, Kessler had zero issues with Andrade.

What made it more fishy was all the one-sided officiating for Bute. There were countless holds and leg lifts that Bute never got warned for and mysterious timeouts whenever Bute got rocked. You can't forget about those. The whole thing never felt quite right.

That ref should be sent to Wake Island. See how many fights he can officiate there.

Interesting to see such a lopsided poll. I haven't seen the full fight...I'm gonna have to watch it sometime.

Yep i agree, Had the referee stopped the fight earlier then he couldnt have been any problem IMHO, But for me Bute survive from the KD and there wasnt really enough time for Andrade to score a KO with that time left. The only reason there was even a controversy was that the Showtime commentators were saying that the referee cheated and the fight should have been a KO for Andrade. Bute clearly was out of gas but was up in about 5 seconds and coherent enough to let the fight go on since it was already over. There was only 2 seconds left in the final round when Bute went down. This was similar to Chavez/Taylor except there was a lot less time when Bute went down and when Taylor did. Also Taylor was unable to respond to the referees commands while Bute put his hands up and looked able to continue. I also think the ref was aware that the fight was over and Steele seemed unaware of how much time was left in the Chavez/Taylor fight.

I would have no problem if the ref stopped the fight when Bute was falling around the ring. But after the knock down Bute was able to get up and obey the refs commands so stopping the fight then with no time left would have been ridiculous. Yep i agree, Had the referee stopped the fight earlier then he couldnt have been any problem IMHO, But for me Bute survive from the KD and there wasnt really enough time for Andrade to score a KO with that time left.

I hoped for Andrade victory but Bute beat the count..No doubt. EDIT: But he did not look like he could really continue, so maybe the fight should have been stopped and Andrade win by TKO. It's a tough call.

NO, But i think the ref should/could have stopped the fight earlier because bute was gone/done. I would have no problem if the ref stopped the fight when Bute was falling around the ring. But after the knock down Bute was able to get up and obey the refs commands so stopping the fight then with no time left would have been ridiculous.

Bute won fair and square. The ref heard the 10 second warning and Bute beat the count anyway.