Bear with me, but - does Juan Manuel Marquez remind anyone else of Joe Louis

Let's see. Born in the same country. Same skin color. Same race. Same sex preference. Same punching power. Same division. Same record. Dude, they ARE the same.

I agree that Arguello is the closest we see to Louis in terms of style. Interesting, but you won't find a HW that has his style. At all. There are some rare stylistic parallels in the history of boxing which don't have many duplicates. Louis-Arguello, Armstrong-Pryor being the primary two in my mind. Many others have fought similarly but Arguello and Pryor had something unique that's hard to identify which really recall their predecessors, whose styles were in their own time unique. Nor were they identical however.

I agree that Arguello is the closest we see to Louis in terms of style. Interesting, but you won't find a HW that has his style. At all.

Arguello is the closest to Louis in style of any I've seen. Their punches came out similarly somehow.

IS that you pitbull in your avatar? Mean looking pit. My brother has one and the person he bought the pit from has a few and his brother does too. And im surprised how gentle these pitbulls are, definetly have a bad image about them but they are great nice dogs. No, he ain't mine. I'm in the UK, it's illegal to own them here, although a few people are getting around this now. Basically if someone phones the police you will get the call. Great dogs.

Good observations, but I think that the parrellel can be drawn between many other fighters and not just with Joe Louis. But a very good post, and not one I disagree with particularly.

If anything I would say Pacquiao is alot more like Joe Louis for their rags to riches story coming from big families and what they and their fights represented for their people. It was a giant party all over the country for black folk everytime the bomber won a fight just as it with filipinos when Pacquiao does

Thinking about it you are right. You say range, i usally call it distance. They both know when they are in perfect range/distance to land a punch and both are killer accurate. And ironicly both are usally calm puncher/counter punchers. Props for the comparason. Oh, and one important one they both have very good technique.

A pair of brothers that work for me own pits, and I've been around them for years. They're, by nature, reasonably gentle and intelligent dogs. The males can have aggressive tendancies, but the owners are generally what makes them dangerous. I don't care for the breed much, myself, but I've never been a terrier fan. I prefer German Shepherds for the most part, though I like retrievers and spaniels, too. Thing is, I was raised with working dogs, and I kind of have a problem with a dog that doesn't do a job of some sort. After all, I have to work, why should they get a free ride? Whether it's bringing back dove and quail (Dot, my springer spaniel), keeping an eye on my place (Audrey, my Shepherd...vicious bitch, won't allow anyone out of their vehicle unless I'm there), or killing the odd field rat or mouse that gets into the barn/feed shed (JackJack, my psychopathic border collie), if they don't work, they don't survive long. A few weeks ago had a contracter work on the house and he talked about how in the south he used pitbulls to help with the hunt of pig boars in the wild. You can search for this on youtube. And originally pits were to help board bulls. Then of course bread to fight. One thing i've learned is that they are very smart dogs and its the owner on how they are demenor wise. My brother dog is a blue nose pit, its a bitch but looks nice that the white stripe between the eyes and its the runt so its not the big still looks like an 7 week old pup.

IS that you pitbull in your avatar? Mean looking pit. My brother has one and the person he bought the pit from has a few and his brother does too. And im surprised how gentle these pitbulls are, definetly have a bad image about them but they are great nice dogs. A pair of brothers that work for me own pits, and I've been around them for years. They're, by nature, reasonably gentle and intelligent dogs. The males can have aggressive tendancies, but the owners are generally what makes them dangerous. I don't care for the breed much, myself, but I've never been a terrier fan. I prefer German Shepherds for the most part, though I like retrievers and spaniels, too. Thing is, I was raised with working dogs, and I kind of have a problem with a dog that doesn't do a job of some sort. After all, I have to work, why should they get a free ride? Whether it's bringing back dove and quail (Dot, my springer spaniel), keeping an eye on my place (Audrey, my Shepherd...vicious bitch, won't allow anyone out of their vehicle unless I'm there), or killing the odd field rat or mouse that gets into the barn/feed shed (JackJack, my psychopathic border collie), if they don't work, they don't survive long.

I mean - he's not exactly the same type of fighter, but there are some interesting parallels I think. Joe carried a dagner zone with him. It was more than just punching distance, it was wider than that, but the man knew his limitations, and his economic, stalking style called for fewer wild rushes than Rocky Marciano's, for example. Anything straying into this territory, which Louis moved around the ring with him, like a halo, got hit, very hard, often with multiple shots. Billy Conn knew this going in and constructed his fight plan around it - to be outside quickly, and to be inside at the correct angle. One of the best fight plans ever constructed, even if the little man blew it. Marquez has something similair, but different, he carries his range with him too, but he ideally likes to counter-punch. Whereas Joe took economical steps forward, JMM mixes it up, he is happy to step back, but he is looking for the same opportunites, to punch, to draw his opponent into that firing range so that he can counter. And Marquez is the truest form of counter--puncher, he doesn't just counter punch punches, he counters space, steps, moves, feints, anything. And sometimes, these rushes backfire on him, especially as he's become more aggressive, but when it comes off, he puts his punches together so well, and from such a perfectly balanced position, he again reminds of Joe. He's a Louis-like puncher in my estimtion. Furthermore, they are both expert at "bringing the man on" to shots, creating conditions whereby they are able to drill a guy moving in, and they both protect themselves well with movement behind the jab - though Marquez goes to the body with his far more, which makes things a bit easier. Both are vulnerable to counter-straight punches straight down the pipe. Basically they both use technical acument to draw men into their range and then hammer them. Anyone else see this or am I just pissing into the wind? Your observations are interesting, though I have to admit I would've never thought about these two guys even on the same day, much less compared them in any way. I don't really see the similarities, myself, but then it's very subjective, the comparisons you make. I really thought of Joe Louis as more of a stalker, and Marquez as more of a "Here's some bait, come an' get it so I can counterpunch you onto queer street". I have to agree, though, that both Louis and Marquez could be considered expert at turning circumstances to their complete advantage...making and using holes, maneuvering their opponents where they want them, finding that sweet spot to punch from, and into...though in different ways.

IS that you pitbull in your avatar? Mean looking pit. My brother has one and the person he bought the pit from has a few and his brother does too. And im surprised how gentle these pitbulls are, definetly have a bad image about them but they are great nice dogs.

I never made the same comparason but only seen a few louis fight but never to compare both. Its a good comparson but curios to see what would a Louis fanatic say about this.

Not to me but interesting observations.

I mean - he's not exactly the same type of fighter, but there are some interesting parallels I think. Joe carried a dagner zone with him. It was more than just punching distance, it was wider than that, but the man knew his limitations, and his economic, stalking style called for fewer wild rushes than Rocky Marciano's, for example. Anything straying into this territory, which Louis moved around the ring with him, like a halo, got hit, very hard, often with multiple shots. Billy Conn knew this going in and constructed his fight plan around it - to be outside quickly, and to be inside at the correct angle. One of the best fight plans ever constructed, even if the little man blew it. Marquez has something similair, but different, he carries his range with him too, but he ideally likes to counter-punch. Whereas Joe took economical steps forward, JMM mixes it up, he is happy to step back, but he is looking for the same opportunites, to punch, to draw his opponent into that firing range so that he can counter. And Marquez is the truest form of counter--puncher, he doesn't just counter punch punches, he counters space, steps, moves, feints, anything. And sometimes, these rushes backfire on him, especially as he's become more aggressive, but when it comes off, he puts his punches together so well, and from such a perfectly balanced position, he again reminds of Joe. He's a Louis-like puncher in my estimtion. Furthermore, they are both expert at "bringing the man on" to shots, creating conditions whereby they are able to drill a guy moving in, and they both protect themselves well with movement behind the jab - though Marquez goes to the body with his far more, which makes things a bit easier. Both are vulnerable to counter-straight punches straight down the pipe. Basically they both use technical acument to draw men into their range and then hammer them. Anyone else see this or am I just pissing into the wind? Initially readin the title my thought was, Rafa is more like Louis than JMM, Now I need to think about it more. Good reading, intelligent analysis... unfortunately you should post it to boxing history if you want intelligent answers, this went unnoticed here! :(