This is a long 2 part thread on 2 different post but trust me, its worth it. Here he goes again fooling the public and media because there dumb enough to fall for it. All he does is fight overrated Mexican guys who have big names because there Mexican. Its exactly what Floyd was talking about. They hype these guys to no end because there Mexican and they brawl.
1st off will people stop acting like Pac fought in a million divisions. He's only fought in 4 real divisions starting at 122. Before that he turned pro at 17 which explains why his weight was so low and he got KO twice before he immediatly jumped to 122 so stop making it sound like he was doing so much before then. He shouldve never even had been at those weights because he was always a huge guy. Then he moves up and beats a past his prime MAB. In the previous year and a half the only guys MAB beat were also old and past there primes in Tapia & Kelley. MAB was supposed to be on top but was fighting bum after bum on PPV and getting away with it but no one said anything like they would to a black fighter. This is also the same great MAB who lost twice to Junior Jones in dominating fashion.
MAB was a guy who also didnt start at 122 which is a patter in Pac's career. Everyone gives him all this credit for moving up in weight but they fail to realize that he always fights guys who also have moved up in weight and is always the much bigger man. Its not like he's moving up and fighting guys who have been at that weight for 6 years and outweigh him by alot. No, they are always guys who are easily smaller then him and have also moved up in weight. He also plays the public by fighting guys like EM, MAB, and JMM in 3 different weight classes. Fighting the same guys a hundred times but at different weights to make it look like he is doing something special. He then fights JMM and drops him 3 times in round 1 but can only come out with a draw. Then he fights EM and loses easily. Then worst of all EM completely ages and gets shutout by Raheem. He never came close to winning a round but yet Pac faces him twice after that, easily stops him, and gets mad credit for it? Can you imagine that? If Floyd did that you wouldnt hear the end of the ripping. 1st they would rip him for even taking a rematch after Raheem killed the guy and would destroy him if he tried to have a 3rd fight when the guy is clearly past it. Not only do they not rip Pac but they act like he's the best fighter ever after doing this. Go figure.
He also had a 5 fight stretch where he fought guys who all had very recent losses like Morales twice, Velazquez, 3K, and Larios. All guys past there primes, coming off losses, and he had a huge size advantage. Everyone thought MAB was done when Pac fought him the 1st time but yet 4 years later they fight again and everyone is ok with it? No one rips him? Its just names that he's beating and guys are falling for it. They are no threat to him. There done and he outweighs them by a hundred pounds and everyone falls for it. Then he has a rematch with JMM and a ton of people thinks that he really lost that. JMM is another highly overrated guy. Who has he beat? ever? He has no good wins. The only guy he ever beat was a old MAB and he got dropped in that fight. I forgot that he beat the other Mexican legend in Juarez who everyone also sweats. All these guys do is fight eachother and get a ton of credit for it when if they fought someone else then they would get skunked. Thats why I always got mad and use to make threads on here saying how can everyone keep rating these Mexican guys so high when they keep losing to eachother? Fight someone else. Its not fair to recycle these guys.
This is the 1st time Ive been on this thread since Ive made it. Let me make this clear, I think that every main guy I talked about is a good fighter and I love to watch them fight. Just because I say this about Pac, doesnt mean he is garbage. He's still a very good fighter and I would be a fool to say otherwise but that doesnt mean a guy isnt overrated or that other guys arent underrated. It happens all the time. People will give 1 guy 10x more credit for the same thing that a different guy wouldnt get much credit for. Thats my point.
I forgot to add in the Valero fight. Here's another overhyped myth by the biased idiot Dougie Fischer that Pac wouldve probably KO and everyone wouldve acted like he was the 2nd coming when really Valero has the worst resume of all time. Youve never heard of any of his opponents except for like 1 and alot of them had mad losses. Yet just because he stops all of them in 1 round, it makes him a legend? You know everyone wouldve hyped Pac again if he beat this cat. The bottom line is I will think he's not overrated when he fights one of the top guys who are not the norm like Guzman or if he fights someone where he's clearly much undersized
No, he is saying that Pac's victories over them are overrated because of the when he fought them. Barrera and Morales were done imo. Marquez was in his prime for the first fight.
So the Barrera that was in the midst of the most prolific win streak of his career when Paq fought him the 1st time was already done going into the fight?? You must be nuts.
This is crazy talk. I can't believe he keeps disrespecting these 3 great Mexican fighters (Barrera, Morales and Marquez) And his still disrespecting Pac-Man.
fight overrated Mexican guys who have big names
Starting 2003. Who we're the TOP DOGS of the Featherweight division?
Yes yes in no particular order
Barrera , Morales and Marquez
Manny Pacquiao coming up needs to beat these 3 fighters to be recognized because they are the lords of the featherweights.
Everyone thought MAB was done when Pac fought him the 1st time
OMG you're an IDIOT. pound 4 pound #3 before the fight 6 victories in a row plus a belt after. tsk tsk tsk
This is a long 2 part thread on 2 different post but trust me, its worth it. Here he goes again fooling the public and media because there dumb enough to fall for it. All he does is fight overrated Mexican guys who have big names because there Mexican. Its exactly what Floyd was talking about. They hype these guys to no end because there Mexican and they brawl.
If overrated mexicans like Barrera completely anhilate undefeated fighters like Nasseem Hamed, what does that say about other countries?
Rocky would KO Pacquiao, i've said it in the past, i say it again.
Because rocky did such a fine job knocking down the Sotos, Barreras and Marquezs of the boxing world right??
Mexican Fighters
Roberto Apodaca
Jesús Chávez x2
Felipe Garcia
Gregorio Vargas
José Luis Castillo x2
PR fighters
Henry Bruseles
Hector Arroyo
Carlos Gerena
Thos are all PR and Mexican fighters PBF humiliated. All PR fighters PBF fought got TKO’d. The Mexican stood a better chance.
When did he fight Chavez again?
Vargas lost fair and square but he gave Floyd all he could handle.
The 2nd Castillo fight was still very competitive.
Pacquiao makes great Legends looks like losers and retires them. (Barrera, Morales). Nobody else during that time can do what Pac did to both of them. Nobody wants to fight Marquez except Pac.......he's a careful counterpuncher that will always makes you look bad. (Morales, MAB, and Hamed ducked him at that time) But Pac doesn't care coz he's a warrior. He makes Champions and contenders look like bums. (Diaz, Larios, Velasquez and Lucero)
Larios was 2 divisions smaller, Velasquez was a top 20 contender, Diaz won his title by ko but in early round Santa Cruz was getting the better of him. Lucero, Rocky knocked him out too.
Rocky would KO Pacquiao, i've said it in the past, i say it again.
DLT, you seem to be a Pac - hater, the point of your post is that..?? pac fought the best in his prime, and a 4 division champion the only asian who did that, who the fuck is floyd? i know he used to be the best p4p fighter in the world but then he quit at his prime when he still has a lot to prove, he hasn't fight the best ww in his prime margarito and cotto, just wait and see pac will make history by winning 5 divisions then he will retire, floyd is a great fighter but he's just too scared to get his ass knocked out by a mexican or a puerto rican fighter:boxing:
He had been in one too many wars. It showed when he didn't really fight Pac back.
boof what do you think of my idea for november cards?
have pac meet soto and barrera meet valero.
people knock edwin but if he beats even an old marco legitimizes him a lot.
what do you think?
Bingo...Barrea and Morales had many wars.
don't agree with me!!!!!! no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i will have to now review all my views on this subject......... i'm obviously wrong................
lol
Yeah. Pac is so extra hyper super overrated.
His opponents were all bums. Morales, Marquez, Barrera, Larios, Ledwaba, Julio... all are rubbish.
But if Pac was black, DLT wouldn't be complaining this way.
marquez , barrera and morales are not as good as corrales and castillo.
corley , sharmba , gatti and baldomir are far superior to larios , ledwaba , sasakul , diaz , julio and solis.
Yeah. Pac is so extra hyper super overrated.
His opponents were all bums. Morales, Marquez, Barrera, Larios, Ledwaba, Julio... all are rubbish.
But if Pac was black, DLT wouldn't be complaining this way.
Even better, can you please change boxing history by erasing Ruiz, Butterbean, as if they never existed. Please
can we erase john ruiz AFTER tua's ko of him?
prime butterbean would've been holding a belt right now......
How the hell was Barrera past his prime?
he lost so many fights right before the 1st with manny and right after the 1st fight with manny.
barrera didn't have a single significant victory a few years before or after the 1st fight.
barrera hadn't had a title/belt for a long time before manny first fought marco and barrera never won a belt since that first fight as well.