Kessler is overrated

Kessler is a good fighter but has proved nothing fighting the competition he has faced, when he did step up in competition he lost but no surprise there really it was Joe Calzaghe, Hopkins in his prime would of beat Kessler, Hopkins would outwork him, outscore him and win a decision. Hopkins of the present day i could see losing a decision to Kessler though.

Oh really? Sir Joe Ricky Lord13 Who the fuck are these guys? Figments of my imagination. Abager is a relatively decent Calzaghe Fan So are you Both of you play up this huge victim complex about it. But at least you guys are not completely unreasonable. And I agree with you about Kessler. He COULD become a great ATG type fighter. Then again maybe not. We'll see. I do think that even when Hopkins faced Jones, he was way more well rounded. And he was facing a prime Roy which no offense, is far greater than a 36 year old Calzaghe (prime or not). And I recall that Roy Hops fight being WAY closer than Kessler Calz. Same person......

Kessler p4p #1 and ATG!! :boxing:

Kessler is very good and he would get his chance to prove if he is an all time great in the next 5 to 6 years but i do feel like Joe calzaghe fans tend to overhype/overrated him to make Calzaghe look great, I dont feel they need to because Kessler would prove to be great in the long run anyway.

There seems to be this massive "Kessler is an ATG" movement sweeping through the forum at the moment. Let me say, firstly, that I am in no way whatsoever a hater. I have been a fan of Kessler ever since he totally out-fought Mundine a few years back. I think he is exciting and a great fighter to watch. Having said that, there is actually a thread, believe it or not, posing the question who is superior out of Kessler and Hopkins (a ring legend). What is worse is that people are in there mounting an argument for Kessler. GTFO people. Who has he beat? Mundine is his biggest win! Posters write Mundine off as a joke then go and say that a guy who has Mundine as his number one win is better than one of the best fighters of the past decade. There is no Kessler is an ATG movement, no-one says that, and if they do they are on crack. Comparing Kessler to Hopkins is not absurd however, I would say there is a reasonable argument that Kessler is actually the more talented/ skilled boxer and presumably it is fair to speculate about whether he would have beaten Hopkins in his prime, since in all fairness he would have been one of the tougher opponents that Hopkins faced. What is absurd is comparing Kessler to Hopkins in terms of all time status and achievements, in which case there is no contest. With 20 defences and many years as MW champ plus a LHW title, versus two SMW belts lost after a few defences, Hopkins wins that particular contest hands down.

I've said that. It's solely based on Pavlik being rated so high. If you compare The last 6-7 fights Kessler's resumeé can be favorably compared to that of Pavlik. Kessler has fought a string of former or future world champions and Pavlik has only fought Taylor. And remember that Kessler's loss was to the p4p no.1 or 2. The fight itself was competitive enough despite the fact that Kessler didnt spar and fought with a broken right hand, which makes his perfomance even more commendable. I am not questioning his performance against Joe. He fought well and with a little more experience and more variability in his armoury he could have come out on top. The point is he has pretty much no resume right now. His best win is borderline Mundine/Beyer. That is not p4p material in my book. Pavlik beat Taylor twice. That alone places him a fair way above Kessler in the p4p rankings IMO. I'm not saying Pavlik is better than Kessler, I think its pretty close, I am just saying you need a better resume than Kessler currently has to get the credit he is being given on here.

Bottom line is there is absolutely no grounds for Kessler to be rated so highly as of yet. To the individual that said he should be in the top 10 or 15 p4p - who the fuck has he beat? Give me one fuckn name that is on his resume that would be deserving of that status. Again, I am a Kessler fan and I think he has the potential to achieve great things, but the shit that is being thrown around in here at the moment is a joke. I've said that. It's solely based on Pavlik being rated so high. If you compare The last 6-7 fights Kessler's resumeé can be favorably compared to that of Pavlik. Kessler has fought a string of former or future world champions and Pavlik has only fought Taylor. And remember that Kessler's loss was to the p4p no.1 or 2. The fight itself was competitive enough despite the fact that Kessler didnt spar and fought with a broken right hand, which makes his perfomance even more commendable.

You mean a p4p fighter like your top 10 guy Paulie Malignaggi? Kessler was around 12 on most recognized lists before the Calzaghe loss. He shouldn't have been. Sure he looks good and he may yet be great, but a win over Mundine should not put you in the top handful of p4p fighters.

I guess hes okay.... ATG??...no. Good resume....NO? P4P FIGHTER??...NO. You mean a p4p fighter like your top 10 guy Paulie Malignaggi? Kessler was around 12 on most recognized lists before the Calzaghe loss.

He was a character in the film Boogie Nights based on the seventies porn industry and the young porn stars back then, or more specifically, based loosely on John Holmes.

You never seen Boogie Nights? I highly reccomend it. Great film. What rap tune was it in? Go Head by Ali & Gipp http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6TRhlFQFWk It's at the very end after they do the, "all that booty in line, when the beat breaks down two times, just grind, and if ya bring a friend then that's fine, THERE IT IS" Embedding was disabled, sorry.

Who the hell is Dirk Diggler? I heard his name in a rap song, and I found someone on my poker site with the name, but they couldn't give me an explanation as to what it meant. I'm dying of curiousity. You never seen Boogie Nights? I highly reccomend it. Great film. What rap tune was it in?

Are you saying you've never read their posts? Nah mate, I havent seen anyone say Kessler has a better career than Hopkins. But im fairly new here. What im saying is stooping to their level is pretty lame in my book.

Who the hell is Dirk Diggler? I heard his name in a rap song, and I found someone on my poker site with the name, but they couldn't give me an explanation as to what it meant. I'm dying of curiousity. http://www.fwfr.com/trophyimages/1671.jpg Classic movie.

Kessler isn't overrated....He is easily the best fighter in the Super Middleweight division and he could beat anyone at 175 not named Calzaghe. Kessler-Tarver would be a pick'em fight IMO. I think Hopkins would probably take a decision from Kessler too. I think you are right about pretty much everyone else though.

Im giving you shit because you're going to the other extreme. If these guys are saying the shit you claim they are, then they arent really worth the time of day, are they? In the UK, we call them Wind Up Merchants. They talk shit to annoy people. Seems to have worked perfectly on you. Then you just get so annoyed by it that you turn into a WUM yourself! Who the hell is Dirk Diggler? I heard his name in a rap song, and I found someone on my poker site with the name, but they couldn't give me an explanation as to what it meant. I'm dying of curiousity.

Kessler isn't overrated....He is easily the best fighter in the Super Middleweight division and he could beat anyone at 175 not named Calzaghe.

Oh yeah there's yet another dumbass. So now we have how many names? And yet this guy who is mad at me has never seen a Calzaghe fan troll and act like a douche. Sure, whatever pal Im giving you shit because you're going to the other extreme. If these guys are saying the shit you claim they are, then they arent really worth the time of day, are they? In the UK, we call them Wind Up Merchants. They talk shit to annoy people. Seems to have worked perfectly on you. Then you just get so annoyed by it that you turn into a WUM yourself!

Kessler is damn good, but no he ain't an ATG. It woulda been to early to give hom that label even if he had whomped Joe C to take the undisputed SMW crown like most expected him to. He's got the potential to be great, he just needs to dump Palle. That would be a good start.

Remember that Hopkins did the same. Lost to Roy Jones in his first big fight. Give Kessler time. He's got the potential to be a great fighter.bhop was green, and kessler is not.