Floyd Mayweather Jr. v/s Sugar Ray Leonard at @147

Mayweather as a welterweight is simply not in the same league as Sugar Ray Leonard. I see the comparision as almost laughable and those picking Mayweather are doing so simply because they aren't familiar with Leonard's boxing record and who he fought! Mayweather would be in the top 10 as a welterweight in the late 70's but that's about it!!! Heck!! As I've said already he's not even the best welterweight today in a division which while talented is nowhere ar deep as it was in Sugar Ray's Reign

Sugar Ray Leonard Naturally bigger and Had more power.

I'd give the edge to sugar ray leonard... They can both do the same... same speed good footwork .. both have good elusiveness... But Sugar ray leonard definitely hits harder... and throws combinations often. Ray Leonard UD/SD

People who think PBF could beat SRL at 147..clearly have not seen SRL's fights..

out with the old in with the new, offcoarse a lot of people will say Sugar just off pure hate for Mayweather .. but i think Floyd would give em the business hes a lot more Athletic aswell

What the fuck? SRL started his career at WelterWeight and moved all the way to Light Heavyweight. Floyd started at 130, and was even forced to fight a 154lb fight while weighing 148. SRL and probably by late TKO, in a totally unfair fantasy fight to argue greatness. If we're talking P4P who's better, I'm leaning towards Mayweather based purely on success alone. You can only beat what your era offers.

This topic has been done before, and just because he beat Hatton doesn't change a damn thing. Leonard at 147 was just a freak, if you thought Zab Judah gave Mayweather trouble for the first 4 rounds, Leonard would do the exact same thing for 12 rounds and end it with a KO.

My question for you guy's... Not saying Floyd woul win or lose, just a question... Did SRL face a fighter with the defense of Mayweather? As Elusive as a fighter? Benetiz was defensive, but as elusive as Floyd? Who would counter punch, good footwork and speed, and very accurate with timing, just want to know did he face a fighter that was skillwise as good as Floyd? not talking resumes here, just skill/talent. Benitex was easily more elusive than Floyd. Floyd has better blocking skills though. So yes, he did face as good a defensive fighter, who was also bigger than Floyd with more power. He also faced much more dangerous overall fighters like Hagler and Hearns. And to throw it back at you, did Floyd ever face anyone even close to SRL's level? Because SRL sure as hell fought fighters at least as high or above Floyd's level, and beat them.

I dont think he faced a fighter like Floyd but he faced better opposition than Floyd..Benitez..I dont think Floyd ever faced anyone like that, Hearns..Floyd never tasted any power like that, Hagler..Floyd never faced a human tank..and Duran..Floyd never faced a tazmanian devil that would tear you up like that..Im going by the level of fighters they have both fought and the outcome..and thats why I have to say SRL would win and most likely win by TKO.

SRL..probably by KO..SRL hand speed was crazy, he had way more power at 147 than Floyd. SRL beat Benitez, Hagler, Hearns, Duran..come on..Benitez was a defensive wizard in the ring.

There is more to a weight division than weight?????????? And you expect to be taken seriously with comments like that? I think his point is, if Pacquiao eats his way to 210 lbs, does that make him a heavyweight? And could he EVER be competitive?

There is more to a weight division than weight?????????? And you expect to be taken seriously with comments like that? selective reading, much? Get outta here, at least sonofisis has a few granules of relevancy in his posts.

It doesnt matter who is bigger out of camp or even after the final weigh in. What matters is if they are legit welterweights. By your logic, Hatton is a legit welterweight which is of course preposterous. There is more to legitimacy in a weight division than weight, thats just you get your foot in the door. Height and reach are paramount. There is more to a weight division than weight?????????? And you expect to be taken seriously with comments like that?

Is Hatton a naturally bigger man than Floyd, seeing as how he fights heavier as well as walks around heavier than Floyd? Yes! Yes! Yes! I am not falling for your weight division ruse. Floyd is a p4p fighter who goes where ever the money is. He isn't a WW, a JMW, a JLW, but a 150 pound man who fights where he pleases. I cant answer all of these lengthy posts, but I think I picked out the most relevant part: Yes, Hatton weighs more naturally. No, Hatton is not a naturally competitive at welterweight because he is too short + his reach is too limited. Weight division "ruse" LOL in other words the topic of our discussion? The part in bold I agree 100% with, and I add on top of that that he is a legit welterweight if he wants to be size-wise.

SRL by an incredibly close SD or MD. So much speed, quickness, and ring intelligence between these two fighters.

It doesnt matter who is bigger out of camp or even after the final weigh in. What matters is if they are legit welterweights. By your logic, Hatton is a legit welterweight which is of course preposterous. There is more to legitimacy in a weight division than weight, thats just you get your foot in the door. Height and reach are paramount. If height and reach were paramount than Paul illiams would be heavy weight champ, but of course you make no sense. As stated before, there is no such thing as a "true Welter weight" given your criteria. If Vernon Forest genuinely felt like squeezing his large frame again into a 147 pound body, then he could do it. If he was talented enough and decided to go to Middle weight, he can do it. He could easily, under this criteria be whatever he wants. We know from common sense that if someone has to lose weight and work harder than you to get down to your size, then obviously they are bigger men. I don't care what division they drain themselves to fight in, they are bigger. Is Hatton a Welter weight? As long as he fights there, officially he is a welter weight. Is Floyd? He's the champ there, so yes. When Floyd fought Oscar was he a Jr. Middle weight? Yes! When Hatton fought Castillo was he a jr. Welter weight? Yes! Is Hatton a naturally bigger man than Floyd, seeing as how he fights heavier as well as walks around heavier than Floyd? Yes! Yes! Yes! I am not falling for your weight division ruse. Floyd is a p4p fighter who goes where ever the money is. He isn't a WW, a JMW, a JLW, but a 150 pound man who fights where he pleases.

It doesnt matter who is bigger out of camp or even after the final weigh in. What matters is if they are legit welterweights. By your logic, Hatton is a legit welterweight which is of course preposterous. There is more to legitimacy in a weight division than weight, thats just you get your foot in the door. Height and reach are paramount. If height and reach were paramount than Paul illiams would be heavy weight champ, but of course you make no sense. As stated before, there is no such thing as a "true Welter weight" given your criteria. If Vernon Forest genuinely felt like squeezing his large frame again into a 147 pound body, then he could do it. If he was talented enough and decided to go to Middle weight, he can do it. He could easily, under this criteria be whatever he wants. We know from common sense that if someone has to lose weight and work harder than you to get down to your size, then obviously they are bigger men. I don't care what division they drain themselves to fight in, they are bigger. Is Hatton a Welter weight? As long as he fights there, officially he is a welter weight. Is Floyd? He's the champ there, so yes. When Floyd fought Oscar was he a Jr. Middle weight? Yes! When Hatton fought Castillo was he a jr. Welter weight? Yes! Is Hatton a naturally bigger man than Floyd, seeing as how he fights heavier as well as walks around heavier than Floyd? Yes! Yes! Yes! I am not falling for your weight division ruse. Floyd is a p4p fighter who goes where ever the money is. He isn't a WW, a JMW, a JLW, but a 150 pound man who fights where he pleases.

Skill-wise,i think Floyd can do what Leonard done,the only thing Leonard did more then Floyd was throw more combos,quick ones,but Floyds the much more accurate puncher and better defensive fighter,im a huge fan of both,it would be close,but if Floyd boxed on the backfoot,didnt get involved in no exchanges,and could adapt to what Leonard does ( We know Floyd could ) He would win,Leonard was great,but the only difference is,he could be defeated easier then Floyd can I dont think Floyd would have been able to beat Hearns though,lol boxing is weird,it works that way sometimes you know what...i knda feel the same way as you. i really dont see floyd beating hearns. with leonard even though i picked leonard i still think he has a lot of chances, so it would be a close fight, but i think that the one guy that would have been the black beast of floyd would be hearns. well....the votes went the way i kinda think...like 7-3 to leonard. im gonna remember this thread and make the same one for the future. i really want to know what will people think of this exact question when floyd really retires and is like a couple of years away from the ring. im sure this poll will be much more even =P. a shame we have too many years for that, but i hope this site still exists and i remember xD... :boxing:

well, he can't answer for my insinuations, which are actually assertions drew from their respective history. Just in their last respective fights, Hatton came in against Castillo (151) weighing more than Floyd did against Oscar (148) and they were two divisions apart. Hatton walks around at 170, Mayweather at 145-150. It's obvious by way of common sense who is slightly larger. Mayweather doesn't go to 140 to fight because he has no belts there. Very simple. It doesnt matter who is bigger out of camp or even after the final weigh in. What matters is if they are legit welterweights. By your logic, Hatton is a legit welterweight which is of course preposterous. There is more to legitimacy in a weight division than weight, thats just you get your foot in the door. Height and reach are paramount.

Tired of this. Mayweather comes in the ring under 150, and until the Baldomir fight (1 year ago) under 147. Nowadays Welterweights come in the ring at 160ish. Margarito, Cotto, Williams Now you can all go around this very simple fact, and I welcome you to do so, on your own, because I dont need to chat with these very simple facts under my eyes.