Does Oscar Know?

1 thing I do know is that Oscar's legacy wouldn't be questioned if he rematched some of those fights that were close. He should have rematched Whitaker and beat him Trinidad style, he should have rematched Quartey, and he most definitely should have swallowed his pride and greed and fought Tito again. If he had done that, there would be no doubt!

I still had Quartey winning by one point. Oscar did so little from rounds 6 to 11. Even after Oscar dropped Ike in round 6, Ike then returned the favor and dropped DLH, and did the better work for the rest of the round. In rounds 7 through 11, while Ike didn't do much, Oscar did even less. DLH came strong in round 12, but it wasn't enough IMO. One of the rare occassions where I agreed round for round with Harold Lederman. I had less a problem with DLH winning as I did with the MARGIN of how he won on the cards. If Oscar won by a point or two that's one thing, but Ike could have won round 12 and still not won the fight according to those judges. That was ridiculous. People always say "well remember the last round, Oscar dominated that". And? What about the rest of the fight? The 10-point must system? If Oscar deserved to win it, it was by the skin of his teeth, and even then you have to be a little generous to him. I agree with you. I really believe people just remember the 6th round where both were dropped & the big 12th that DLH had. Quartey used his jab to control DLH for most of the fight & had him doing literally nothing for most of the fight. The high guard Quartey used gave DLH alot problems landing punches. And if I remember correctly Merchant asked DLH about a rematch & DLH said: "What, no hablo ingles". Then he said that the fight didn't warrant a rematch. I always thought it was a bitch move for him to say that & also kinf of admitting that he wanted no part of Quartey again.

by compubox stats didn't oscar land at least twice more than Trinidad? According to Compubox, Oscar outlanded Tito 263-166 and Tito outlanded Oscar in power punches. I don't go by that anyway. It's not that accurate IMO. People make errors. I sure didn't see 166 punches land for Trinidad.

I laugh at the people who think Oscar won the whole first of the 9 rounds. Some of the earlier rounds he barely threw a punch. Watch the fight again. By the way I beleive it should have been a draw and neither guy did anything to prove they won. I would have to agree with the letterman card which he also had it a draw. by compubox stats didn't oscar land at least twice more than Trinidad?

How do people think Sweet Pea was robbed though.. Because of the slip which was called a knock down? Even counting that In I had Oscar up.. Wasn't by much but I had him by a point I think. For the most part Pernell wasn't too active, he did land the jab clean but thats about it.. Oscar landed the harder punches and better combos.. You saw Whitakers head get rocked way more then De La Hoya in the fight.. Like Lampley said (I think it was him) it all depends on what you like which is why boxing is so unique... Whitaker threw fewer landed more accurate but they weren't big punches.. I think he averaged 44 per round.. De La Hoya threw way more landed less but where bigger punches. He called it a Judges nightmare or something.. It was either him or Roy Jones. Like I said Oscar won but it was still close, not close enough to give Pernell the win I think though IMO.

I laugh at the people who think Oscar won the whole first of the 9 rounds. Some of the earlier rounds he barely threw a punch. Watch the fight again. By the way I beleive it should have been a draw and neither guy did anything to prove they won. I would have to agree with the letterman card which he also had it a draw.

The fight looked close, so why would he to coast the last 3 rounds.. So I can see why he lost, even though he out landed Tito by alot from what I can remember.. your still giving away 3 points! The Mosley fight he lost... The second, I haven't seen in the longest time which is why I'm not commenting on it! Oscar was tired. He has admitted it on more than one occassion. I scored the bout for Oscar, but it was closer than many would like to say it was. It wasn't nearly as bad as Jim Lampley would like you to believe before Oscar got tired and ran. And it was NOT, contrary to myth, simply Oscar listening to his corner and staying away. Watch the fight and you'll clearly hear Oscar's corner after round 10 (when he started running) say "no more rounds like that" and they kept telling him "box, box, box", not "run, run, stay away". Oscar ran more in rounds 11 and 12. But he still won on my card. Oscar rounds: 2-3, 5-7, 9 Tito rounds: 4, 8, 10-12 Even: 1 115-114 DLH

fights are scored by rounds....so whats worng in winning 9 rounds and then dont risk it?????.....in the second mosley fight, shane was only throwing power unches...and wasnt being effective with them...seriously anyone who didnt have de la hoya trinidad for oscar knows shit about boxing de la hoyas record should be 39-3 losses to mosley1, hopkins and sturm The fight looked close, so why would he to coast the last 3 rounds.. So I can see why he lost, even though he out landed Tito by alot from what I can remember.. your still giving away 3 points! The Mosley fight he lost... The second, I haven't seen in the longest time which is why I'm not commenting on it!

I would like people to tell me what rounds Oscar won against Quartey and what he did in those rounds to actually deserve to win the round and the fight, other than the typical "he dropped him in round 12" crap.

I won't argue the Mosley rematch, but Oscar winning the first mosley fight? What did you score that? I have DLH at 37-4-1. Draw against Pea Losses to Ike, Mosley (1st bout), Hopkins, Sturm I had it 115-113 Oscar, but I could see it the other way. It was close.

Oscar lost to Hopkins no argument there. Againts Mosely he is 1 and 1 lost the first won the second both very close fights. Sturm he lost againts. He barely beat Whitaker and soundly beat Trinidad. He rallied to beat Ike also. In my book he has 3 losses. I think what he does know is that he should have less L's on his record.

Quartey he came back and knocked down and flurried him at the end for the win, Whitaker did not get robbed he lost in a close fight. Mosley he lost and Trinidad he lost too because of the running he did in the last 2 or 3 rounds.. He could have won that but you dont just stop because your winning on the cards. fights are scored by rounds....so whats worng in winning 9 rounds and then dont risk it?????.....in the second mosley fight, shane was only throwing power unches...and wasnt being effective with them...seriously anyone who didnt have de la hoya trinidad for oscar knows shit about boxing de la hoyas record should be 39-3 losses to mosley1, hopkins and sturm

Deep down inside do you think Oscar knows that he really lost to Sturm, Quartey, or Whitaker? Deep down inside do you think he feels he really beat Trinidad and Mosley? Will we ever know for sure how he really felt about those fights and why he never rematched any of those close controversial decisions? Quartey he came back and knocked down and flurried him at the end for the win, Whitaker did not get robbed he lost in a close fight. Mosley he lost and Trinidad he lost too because of the running he did in the last 2 or 3 rounds.. He could have won that but you dont just stop because your winning on the cards.

I think Oscar won the Pea and Ike fights. I think his record should read: W: 41 L: 2 I thought he beat Mosley twice, and Trinidad but clearly lost to Sturm and you can't really argue the Hopkins fight. :P I won't argue the Mosley rematch, but Oscar winning the first mosley fight? What did you score that? I have DLH at 37-4-1. Draw against Pea Losses to Ike, Mosley (1st bout), Hopkins, Sturm

I think Oscar won the Pea and Ike fights. I think his record should read: W: 41 L: 2 I thought he beat Mosley twice, and Trinidad but clearly lost to Sturm and you can't really argue the Hopkins fight. :P

Oscar and Tito had too much ego for a second fight, getting those two to agree upon the take for the second fight was probably close to impossible. (of course it should have happended but the point is it takes two to tango plus you have to keep in mind that King and Arum would have to work together again as well which history proved was very hard for both of them to do-its not like they worked together all the time...4 egos invlolved) Of course Oscar fought JC Superstar again-it was big money, big glory and Chavez wouldnt shut up saying he was screwed after the first fight. Arum/Oscar would have been fools to pass on this! Forget rematches for a second you cant ignore Oscar's resume-he fights big name after big name-you cant point to many fighters who have taken on as many champions as he has-he's enormously popular which makes him a target for the type of questions you pose, if Oscar is a target isnt every fighter who ever laced um up one as well? yeah I hear you about the ego part, but my ego would have made sure I got a rematch to show I'm the better man and that is what Im questioning. I'm not questioning his resume, but his competitiveness, his heart, his values. he is great athlete but not once has he given a rematch to an opponent that pushed him and it was close fight. he is supposedly a good man and good for boxing and all its interest from the boxers to the fans so why no rematches for his close fights where he came on top?

Also why didn't he fight Trinidad again? He was whooping Trinidad and got robbed that fight, why not fight again? was he that in fear of trinidad's hooks and right hands. The Hopkins fight, I think he knew he couldn't win and just flopped. Don't get me wrong, I think he was hurt, but I know he had the energy to get on his feet. he was slapping the mat for christ sakes...I just wonder if deep down he knows and if he knows why did he let it go? Oscar and Tito had too much ego for a second fight, getting those two to agree upon the take for the second fight was probably close to impossible. (of course it should have happended but the point is it takes two to tango plus you have to keep in mind that King and Arum would have to work together again as well which history proved was very hard for both of them to do-its not like they worked together all the time...4 egos invlolved) Of course Oscar fought JC Superstar again-it was big money, big glory and Chavez wouldnt shut up saying he was screwed after the first fight. Arum/Oscar would have been fools to pass on this! Forget rematches for a second you cant ignore Oscar's resume-he fights big name after big name-you cant point to many fighters who have taken on as many champions as he has-he's enormously popular which makes him a target for the type of questions you pose, if Oscar is a target isnt every fighter who ever laced um up one as well?

I still had Quartey winning by one point. Oscar did so little from rounds 6 to 11. Even after Oscar dropped Ike in round 6, Ike then returned the favor and dropped DLH, and did the better work for the rest of the round. In rounds 7 through 11, while Ike didn't do much, Oscar did even less. DLH came strong in round 12, but it wasn't enough IMO. One of the rare occassions where I agreed round for round with Harold Lederman. I had less a problem with DLH winning as I did with the MARGIN of how he won on the cards. If Oscar won by a point or two that's one thing, but Ike could have won round 12 and still not won the fight according to those judges. That was ridiculous. People always say "well remember the last round, Oscar dominated that". And? What about the rest of the fight? The 10-point must system? If Oscar deserved to win it, it was by the skin of his teeth, and even then you have to be a little generous to him. I agree with you, it was very close from what I could remember. I'll have to try and find it so I can watch it again. But like you said, it was by the skin of his teeth, why not fight again and prove who is the better man?

I still had Quartey winning by one point. Oscar did so little from rounds 6 to 11. Even after Oscar dropped Ike in round 6, Ike then returned the favor and dropped DLH, and did the better work for the rest of the round. In rounds 7 through 11, while Ike didn't do much, Oscar did even less. DLH came strong in round 12, but it wasn't enough IMO. One of the rare occassions where I agreed round for round with Harold Lederman. I had less a problem with DLH winning as I did with the MARGIN of how he won on the cards. If Oscar won by a point or two that's one thing, but Ike could have won round 12 and still not won the fight according to those judges. That was ridiculous. People always say "well remember the last round, Oscar dominated that". And? What about the rest of the fight? The 10-point must system? If Oscar deserved to win it, it was by the skin of his teeth, and even then you have to be a little generous to him.

oscar won against pea, ike, tito and shane, so how is he gonna think he lost????? versus sturm he did lose and clearly, he must regret ever going to the middleweight division