The Great Tyson Debate

Fuck me Jr, ali was as shot as ty against McBride, Berbick was not a great fighter and holmes was 38 and had a long spell of inactivity, I do think tyson would of beat holmes in his prime but to say ali would of been ko'd in 3 is stupid

Tyson in his prime would have knocked Ali out in 3 rounds. Look what Tyson did to Holmes. Holmes tried to dance like a fool like Ali against Tyson and danced his way into a left hook. Tyson beat the hell out of Holmes and Berbick something the so called great Ali couldnt do.

Tyson beat Spinks, Razor Ruddock, Trevor Berbick, Andrew Golota (who everyone on this site is saying is sooo goood) on weed, youngest champion of all time, first black heavyweight to unify the titles, and Tyson in his prime would own any boxer ever

The era of Joe Louis was much better era then Holmes, Lewis or Tyson. You can't compare the 2 eras, yes they were smaller, but they had much better boxers at the time of Joe Louis. I dont know what you are seeing but when I watch the guys Marciano and Louis fought after they had their titles I see a bunch of hacks who fight like Tua but weigh 20 pounds less then Tua. Walcott seemed pretty skilled but he was under 200 pounds too. I doubt he was much better then James Toney when it came to boxing skills and Toney out weighs him by 25 pounds. Conn was skilled too and Louis had trouble with both of those guys. Louis lost to Marciano when he was washed up, it was his last fight. He destroyed Max Schmeling in the rematch. That first loss to Schmeling was just a wake up call. It was good for Louis. If I was rating total career accomplishment I would rate Louis and Marciano higher then Tyson but I am going by what both fighters would do at their best. Tyson at his best beat guys like Mitch Green and Tony Tucker who were 6'5 230 with 80+ reach. Schmeling may have been a smart counter puncher but he was 195 when he fought Louis. Tyson would have KOed Schmeling before Schmeling got into the ring just like he did Spinks. Both Louis & Marciano accomplished so much more then any other heavyweight. Yes you can say that Marciano's era was week, because he beat most of the great washed up heavyweights, but he was W49-0 with 43 Ko's. The guy was undefeated & had an incredible KO ratio. Just for that he needs to be in the top 5 heavyweights of all time. Joe Louis was W 68 (54 ko's) - L 3, he also had an incredible KO ratio, he also had some great fighters fighting in his era, the guy defended his belts for 25 straight wins, this an all time record in boxing history. Joe Louis is the most accomplished HW boxer of all time. The guy should be #1 or 2. I don't think any heavyweight would've ever beaten Ali in his prime. Ali & Louis are #1 & 2. I think it's a spit in the face of Joe Louis for people to mentions Holmes, Holyfield or Lewis in the same class. We will never know who would've won the fights. It's who accomplished more & that is Joe Louis easily. Like I said I'm not going by all of their accomplishments. I'm looking at their skills, their comp, and the results. I put Holmes, Holyfield and Lewis in the ring with the guys Marciano fought and Holmes beats them all with ease, Holyfield loses one with hepatitis, Lewis comes in fat and loses one then kills the guy in the rematch. If Rocky would have beat Liston I would rank him 2 or 3 but the best guys he beat were Charles and a faded Archie Moore. Charles was 185. Man I would pick the Klit brothers to KO Ezzard Charles or any 180 pound fighter. Even at Roy Jones's best few people gave him a chance to beat one of the Klit brothers. I dont think Johnsons era was that great either but his style is so much like Bernard Hopkins and I pitty any heavyweight that would have to fight a legit 200-215 pound Hopkins.

You're not an idiot. This JUYJUY guy is just a pathetic troll who joins many message boards to piss people off. PM me for details. Why are you copying and pasting messages that I wrote on other boards directed towards you? Why don't you just give up and go away? You've caused enough damage as it is (eg sending viruses to Larry Holmes' board that he himself posts on etc).

Would've, okay, or would have. Not would of. By the way, ban this JUYJUY guy. He's a notorious troll on other boards. PM me for details. He's trouble, mate! http://x3.putfile.com/7/19412085462.gif Give up, your not fooling anyone by copying and pasting MY replies to YOU (from other boards). Everybody knows who you are.

Did you just put Joe Louis #9. Joe Louis was the most accomplished heavyweight of all time. He had 26 title defenses. Ali & Louis are #1 & 2 period. I put Marciano in the top 5, the guy retired undefeated with 49 wins. How many boxers you can find that retired undefeated. The era of Louis and Marciano was weak and small. Neither of them had the boxing ability to out box Ali, Holmes or Johnson. They are too small and unskilled for Foreman, and Liston. I think Marciano would have a chance vs Tyson and Hollyfield and I think he KO's Dempsey but Lewis is too tall, too big, and too skilled. If Conn could hurt Louis then Louis would be KOed by Tyson and Dempsey, and he would be in a war with Lewis and Hollyfield. There are a couple guys I rate higher then Marciano and Louis that I think Marciano and Louis could beat but thats about matchups. I see Tyson matching up well against boxers like Ali, Holmes and Johnson kinda like how Frazier matched up well against Ali, but I could see Marciano beating Tyson(one hell of a fight). Problem with Marciano was that he was a Crusier weight who never fought quality big men and he does not have the style to fight small or the frame to put on quality weight. The problem with Louis was that he could be out boxed by great boxers and KOed by those with great power.

as someone mentioned on another thread one time, Tyson did not even beat a fighter of the calibre of Ray Mercer, yes spinks was a great fighter, but most of the guys who tyson fought lost the fight in the dressing room.

I can't honestly believe that anyone on this forum thinks that Larry Holmes was at his best for Tyson when they fought. That makes me sick. if someone said that, I will never respect their opinion again :D

top 10......maybe just by the skin of his underpants, maybe

I rated the top ten heavyweights of all time and I think I had Tyson 7 or 8. Ali Johnson Foreman Liston Holmes Lewis Holyfield Tyson Louis Dempsey Frazier Marciano

What are you talking about? The guy fell to pieces in 1988, it's not an illusion, the guy drove his car into a tree in a suicide attempt. i think you missed the point junior

tucker,smith,green,berbick,spink,old holmes,tubb and brigg none of them could really touch tyson in his prime, only 3 of them landed 1 single hard shot on tyson and that is nobody could hit tyson more than that in his prime. that must explain a lot i mean all in top10 took a lot of punishment in the prime by bad,mediem and good fighter tysons defence was that good. and his agressivite was to scary. after catskill when he fough bruno in the first fight he was fucked up he got lucky to win over bruno, got hit and outmusclear by bruno. he looks dumb like he didnt had his brain with him. prime vs prime i choose ali,tyson and holmes.

I can't honestly believe that anyone on this forum thinks that Larry Holmes was at his best for Tyson when they fought. That makes me sick.

Yeah he could probably knockout anybody with one solid punch. If Ali can take that punch, Ali can neutralize Tyson. But without a doubt prime against prime Tyson should be top 10 of all time.

Tyson has to rank in the top ten heavyweights of all time. But a prime Tyson could have beaten any heavyweight in their prime in any era. He was that good. Your right on the money.

Tyson has to rank in the top ten heavyweights of all time. But a prime Tyson could have beaten any heavyweight in their prime in any era. He was that good.

Tyson, Top 10 All Time? I'll have to say that after watching Mike Tyson's entire professional career, and being a lifetime boxing fan, that Mike Tyson could be on the all-time honorable mention category. Personally, I think that George Foreman and Mike Tyson would rank #1 and #2 in all time one punch kayo power. However, early on in Mike's career, he was easily frustrated by taller, rangier fighters. Mitch "Blood" Green gave him problems, James "Quick" Tillis, and Bonecrusher Smith also exposed him early on, and those guys were not "A" quality fighters by any means. Tyson had probably more overall quickness coupled with raw power over just about any other modern heavyweight I can think of. However, in almost every instance, once Tyson was actually pushed into later rounds, where he really had to dig, he never really showed the heart of a true champion. For this reason, I fail to put him in the top 5 of all time. I can just think of too many former heavies who could beat him.

uh did you just read the parts you wanted to cause i gave you 13 good fighters tyson beat over his career in which some came after his prime. 13 Good/Medicore fighters.... Compare that to other great Heavyweights and who they have beaten to gain/retain/regain the belts.

hey mike is the greatest of all time no doubt but thats not why. the reason is that in his prime with his style he had he would have ripped any heavyweight in history to pieces. but come on you have to know that berbick and holmes fought ali when ali had nothing at all left. Tyson is his prime was UNSTOPPABLE...