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Originally posted by 1bad65 View PostIt's not so much about winning. It's about being able to fight back and die free.
It's also a deterrent to any dictator.
No dictator has ever presided over an armed populace.
Remember; "An armed man is a citizen. A disarmed man is a subject."
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Originally posted by billeau2 View PostAnother way to look at it: Lets take two scenarios, in the first, the country is disarmed, in the second, it is not.
The government commences to murder more people. People who might get a knock off their credit score, are pursued and shot by agents for the IRS, because god forbid you refuse to pay taxes. Ranchers who protest regarding grazing rights granted to them, by the government, then taken back, are also pursued.
Eventually people see the government is out of control and rebel... Now remembering our two scenarios... You are a government agent told to secure the state of Pennyslvania. You must go high in the mountains, to all the bordering states, etc.
Knowing that people have no firearms this might be difficult, time consuming, but alas, you know you can come and take areas without much real resistance, and at least you know you can hold areas because of the firepower.
KNOW, knowing that people are armed, know the areas they live in intimately, are willing to fight against you, with weapons at the ready... suddenly? Its not really a workable proposition is it? Oh you might get some areas, might secure a spot here and there, but you will not be able to hold it, and you will be picked off by people who know where they live.
And there you have if really... The government does not do so well when people fight back and are willing to do so. Things have not changed so much from the times of King George.
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Originally posted by turnedup View PostDude we are and will always be subjects. Skip a few years of paying taxes and see how much of a citizen you are to this country. Best country in the world but freedom is a state of mind and a perception. I love this country but the government is its own version of a corporation, we think it works for us but it’s the other way around.
We have Constitutional rights (though politicians love taking them away when possible), including the right to vote and bear arms, a jury trial, etc. We arent subjects.
Alot of the rights we have, people in disarmed countries dont have.
I gotta ask, you're not proposing or advocating a repeal of the 2nd Amendment, are you?
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Originally posted by 1bad65 View PostWhile you make some valid points, you cant say an armed populace are subjects.
We have Constitutional rights (though politicians love taking them away when possible), including the right to vote and bear arms, a jury trial, etc. We arent subjects.
Alot of the rights we have, people in disarmed countries dont have.
I gotta ask, you're not proposing or advocating a repeal of the 2nd Amendment, are you?
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Originally posted by turnedup View PostI am a gun owner so no, I though believe in reforming si you can’t just buy a gun without paperwork
And surely you arent proposing that regular guys like us would by law have to take the time, effort, and money to run paperwork on buyers whenever we sell one of our guns??
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Originally posted by 1bad65 View PostYou cant buy a gun without paperwork, unless it's a private seller.
And surely you arent proposing that regular guys like us would by law have to take the time, effort, and money to run paperwork on buyers whenever we sell one of our guns??
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Originally posted by turnedup View PostI’m talking about all of it for everyone requiring documentation. I’ve been to gun shows where I can just pull out cash and walk out with a piece. That shhh should be illegal and folks feel like being robbed of that is somehow taking from their rights. I haven’t sold a gun before, I can go to several precincts here and donate them or ask for them to be destroyed. The first time you do it’s weird as fk, at least I was smart enough to put mine in a bag and no whip it out of my holster 😂
Why not just increase the sentencing for criminals who are barred from having guns but get caught with one?
Let's punish the criminals more, and not harrass the law-abiding citizens.
Surely you cant disagree with that logic, can you?
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Originally posted by 1bad65 View PostAgain, you're solution is to put the more regulations/costs/hassle on the law abiding people, the gun owners selling their guns.
Why not just increase the sentencing for criminals who are barred from having guns but get caught with one?
Let's punish the criminals more, and not harrass the law-abiding citizens.
Surely you cant disagree with that logic, can you?
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Originally posted by turnedup View PostOr they could show us what they do on foreign soil and drop three bunker busters and all those armed civilians shhhh themselves and give up their land. If the government wanted to steam roll us there is shhh all we could do about. You have folks forgetting that they have shhh we haven’t even thought of yet. We’ve seen them ruin lives with a snap of a finger, i guess a false sense of security is better than none.
I would recommend a training exerscize if you do not think me patronizing. When training students to work against a knife for example, the first thing I say is, "think, what do you... Think... would be good, what would be bad?" In other words, when we look at troops going into areas and taking control, lets imagine what they have to deal with. With a knife, to get a handle on what to do, one must first think intelligently about the situation and not about what people say one can and cannot do.
You will find that it is a nightmare to go into an area where people are armed and able. Would you like to be told you have to go into Texas and "clear" an area, where people are armed and waiting? Think it through. Think about Vietnam, and the attitude the generals had... similar to what you stated...how did that work? In other words think it through intelligently, with no ideology, no emotion, and no heresay.
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