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  • #81
    Originally posted by man down View Post
    We dont have enough doctors or nurses to stuff said hospitals as it is now.
    Increase wages then.

    That is no reason to say no to universal health care. The obvious choice is to pay family physicians more and specialists less. Less people would be in the ER if they had preventive care too. That is a major part of the problem. When you can't go to a doctor, then you wait until it is so bad you have to go to the ER.

    Right now, students are discouraged from going into being a regular doctor. They push people towards specialty, like cardiologists, anestiologists, X-ray techs and every other kind of specialist. Because those positions make 4 or 5 times what the doctors on the front lines do. Increase wages for nurses, for LPNs, RNs, and even nursing assistants.

    You don't say, well, there isn't enough doctors, so let's only let the wealthy go to the doctor. There are ways to fix that. Also, we could afford to pay them much more, if the billions of dollars health insurance companies make went to the doctors, surgeons, and nurses.

    Which is another reason for universal health care. You switch some of that money (that is in the billions) to the people actually doing the work. That increases employment, it increases wages, and it increases productivity, because people aren't out with illness and injury all the time.

    So, again, that is yet another argument for universal health care. Literally, that is one of the main arguments in favor of it.

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    • #82
      Originally posted by Dr.Cool View Post
      Increase wages then.

      That is no reason to say no to universal health care. The obvious choice is to pay family physicians more and specialists less. Less people would be in the ER if they had preventive care too. That is a major part of the problem. When you can't go to a doctor, then you wait until it is so bad you have to go to the ER.

      Right now, students are discouraged from going into being a regular doctor. They push people towards specialty, like cardiologists, anestiologists, X-ray techs and every other kind of specialist. Because those positions make 4 or 5 times what the doctors on the front lines do. Increase wages for nurses, for LPNs, RNs, and even nursing assistants.

      You don't say, well, there isn't enough doctors, so let's only let the wealthy go to the doctor. There are ways to fix that. Also, we could afford to pay them much more, if the billions of dollars health insurance companies make went to the doctors, surgeons, and nurses.

      Which is another reason for universal health care. You switch some of that money (that is in the billions) to the people actually doing the work. That increases employment, it increases wages, and it increases productivity, because people aren't out with illness and injury all the time.

      So, again, that is yet another argument for universal health care. Literally, that is one of the main arguments in favor of it.
      Lol here we go! Already uping the cost!
      There's plenty of people in the US that get free care. Walk into a ER from another country and say you don't have a ID give them a BS addy. Wala! Free!!!
      Just us people paying for insurance get the shaft.

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      • #83
        Originally posted by man down View Post
        Why do people from Canada come to the US for treatment?
        Just because ours is free doesnt mean it's better. That's why. That said, the vast majority of us stay here for our treatment.
        Last edited by Gillie; 07-27-2018, 08:41 PM.

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        • #84
          Originally posted by Gillie View Post
          Just because ours is free doesnt mean it's better. That's why.
          Thank you.
          So if ours if free how great will it be?

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          • #85
            Originally posted by man down View Post
            Thank you.
            So if ours if free how great will it be?
            Dont get me wrong, we have a terrific health care system, although it does admittedly have its flaws. Especially in Quebec where I live. You also have to remember that we have a population of 35 million people versus your 330 million. Universal health care is a great idea, if you could pull it off but it may be tough for a country that big.

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            • #86
              Originally posted by Dr.Cool View Post
              Increase wages then.

              That is no reason to say no to universal health care. The obvious choice is to pay family physicians more and specialists less. Less people would be in the ER if they had preventive care too. That is a major part of the problem. When you can't go to a doctor, then you wait until it is so bad you have to go to the ER.

              Right now, students are discouraged from going into being a regular doctor. They push people towards specialty, like cardiologists, anestiologists, X-ray techs and every other kind of specialist. Because those positions make 4 or 5 times what the doctors on the front lines do. Increase wages for nurses, for LPNs, RNs, and even nursing assistants.

              You don't say, well, there isn't enough doctors, so let's only let the wealthy go to the doctor. There are ways to fix that. Also, we could afford to pay them much more, if the billions of dollars health insurance companies make went to the doctors, surgeons, and nurses.

              Which is another reason for universal health care. You switch some of that money (that is in the billions) to the people actually doing the work. That increases employment, it increases wages, and it increases productivity, because people aren't out with illness and injury all the time.

              So, again, that is yet another argument for universal health care. Literally, that is one of the main arguments in favor of it.
              Do you think the sheer size of your population would make it tougher somehow to properly implement universal health care? It works for us, but, we only have 35 million people and we have also had it for a long time. Peace.

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              • #87
                We don’t want to pay for leeches

                We want to decide our personal medical decisions not bureaucrats

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                • #88
                  Originally posted by man down View Post
                  Thank you.
                  So if ours if free how great will it be?
                  Just because it would be free doesn't mean it wouldn't still be good, that's a stupid lame excuse.

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                  • #89
                    Originally posted by Lords View Post
                    Just because it would be free doesn't mean it wouldn't still be good, that's a stupid lame excuse.
                    You do live in the US right? Where everything is taken advantage of. Where great programs like the VA turn to **** because of the government. Where the post office is losing money and on and on.

                    Just the way it is. Plus like I said we don't have even enough Drs or RNs now. It would take years to fill the spots and until then what would care look like?
                    Look I don't want to pay 650.00 a month with a 5k deductable and would love to have free healthcare. But let's be real here.

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                    • #90
                      Originally posted by man down View Post
                      You do live in the US right? Where everything is taken advantage of. Where great programs like the VA turn to **** because of the government. Where the post office is losing money and on and on.

                      Just the way it is. Plus like I said we don't have even enough Drs or RNs now. It would take years to fill the spots and until then what would care look like?
                      Look I don't want to pay 650.00 a month with a 5k deductable and would love to have free healthcare. But let's be real here.
                      If we switched to single payer system we'd actually be saving money.
                      You can increase med and nurse school acceptance rates by a percentage to get more people in and trained. However, not having enough doctors or nurses shouldn't be a factor in determining free healthcare, you know how stupid that sounds?
                      Last edited by Lords; 07-27-2018, 11:40 PM. Reason: asd

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