Kobe Bryant have become insanely underrated.

[JasonBoxing]

Kobe was great in his era where the majority of NBA talent resided among the bigs and not the perimeter players. He's one of the greatest perimeter players of all time but this current era's players are passing him up pretty easily.

Westbrook already has 7 elite seasons, Curry 7, Durant 10, Lebron 14, Harden 6, etc. These players aren't going to decline unless they get hit with an injury and there are a lot more guys like Leonard, Lillard, Davis, Cousins etc. that are putting up major points on solid efficiency as well. The league is loaded with scorers. It was rare in Kobe's era, not in this era.

He's not better than guys like Duncan/Lebron/Shaq, guys with more Finals MVP's from his own era. Not being the best player on 3/5th of your championship teams is a huge hit to his legacy. His 2004 performance and 2010 Finals performances were quite bad as well, he made them lose in '04 and got bailed out by Gasol/MWP in Game 7 2010.

I'm not trying to insult you but why do you make up stuff when everyone can just google stats? I'm serious. Do you really think people won't 'fact check' you?

None of those guys you mentioned have had as many elite seasons as you wrote other than Lebron James.

STEPH CURRY 5 SEASONS AGO averaged 22 Points and shot 45 %
KOBE BRYANT 5 SEASONS AGO(old man Kobe) averaged 27 Points and shot 46%

So OLD KOBE was actually better than 'Elite Steph'.

STEPH CURRY 6 SEASONS AGO was actually injured all the time and averaged around 11 to 14 points.

OLD KOBE 6 SEASONS AGO averaged around 27 Points again.


STEPH CURRY 7 SEASONS AGO averaged 18 points and that was still Kobe on the tail end of his prime(utterly destroyed Steph).

Kobe's second half of career is literally in the same era as those guys you mentioned. Kobe just RETIRED you talking like he was from the 40's. Lmao.

FROM 2010-2013 WestBrook averaged around 5 points less a game than KOBE and SHOT AT A LOWER %. I don't know what basketball world you live in, but nobody considered 2010-2013 Westbrook 'elite' he was just an all star.


Curry,Westbrook, Harden all had 4 elite seasons. That's it. To match Kobe's elite seasons of 2001-2011, they need 6 more to go. Curry will never reach it. He's 30. You telling me at 36 he will still be elite? That will be the first.


Now if you lower the bar into 'ALL STAR' seasons,(ala maybe 22-23 PPG average, good all around play) Kobe had 14. The rest of the guys you mentioned bar Lebron and Durant all had maybe 6-7(still a long way away)


Regardless of Elite or All Star standards, one standard is for sure.

FROM 2010-2013 Kobe Bryant had better stats and was a better player than Curry,Harden,Westbrook. By 2014, he was already a shell.

But you are probably a crazy person who thinks 22 points from Steph at 45% is >than 27 Points from Kobe at 46

[JasonBoxing]

Only a true Kobe Hater will even think that Harden can surpass Kobe. Young Kobe's defense alone is 10x that of Current Harden.

[Cutthroat]

I'm not trying to insult you but why do you make up stuff when everyone can just google stats? I'm serious. Do you really think people won't 'fact check' you?

None of those guys you mentioned have had as many elite seasons as you wrote other than Lebron James.

STEPH CURRY 5 SEASONS AGO averaged 22 Points and shot 45 %
KOBE BRYANT 5 SEASONS AGO(old man Kobe) averaged 27 Points and shot 46%

So OLD KOBE was actually better than 'Elite Steph'.

STEPH CURRY 6 SEASONS AGO was actually injured all the time and averaged around 11 to 14 points.

OLD KOBE 6 SEASONS AGO averaged around 27 Points again.


STEPH CURRY 7 SEASONS AGO averaged 18 points and that was still Kobe on the tail end of his prime(utterly destroyed Steph).

You're not factoring in things like shot attempts, 3pt, years in the league, shooting, assists, turnovers, or the fact that Curry was barely in his 2nd year 7 seasons ago. Year by year, season by season, Curry and others are flat out better, they're just young.

Kobe takes more shots than ANY player ever. It took him 27 shots to score 35ppg, Curry scored 30ppg on 20 shots, that's 7 less. This is basic math my dude. Again, that's not counting Curry's 50% from 2, 45% from 3, assists-to's, mins. etc. all of which kill Kobe.

Curry averaged 22.9ppg but shot 45% from 2 AND 3.
5 seasons ago Kobe was shooting 32% from 3, his career average.

Curry's 3pt shooting is LEGENDARY. Right now he's shooting 41% on 9.9 attempts, it's unheard of. Instantly makes any offense/teammate better.

-Curry also only attempted 17.7 shots, Kobe 20.4. 3 more shots to average just 4 more points. Curry>Kobe
-Curry averaged 6.9 assists & 3.1 turnovers.
Kobe 6.0 & 3.7, his best AST-TO ratio ever. Curry> Kobe
-Curry even edges Kobe in steals even when the league allowed hand checking. Curry>Kobe

Curry even plays less minutes than Kobe, no stat padding.

Kobe's second half of career is literally in the same era as those guys you mentioned. Kobe just RETIRED you talking like he was from the 40's. Lmao.

The average NBA player does not reach their peak until 27 years of age. The first few years are a developmental phase just as Kobe went through.

Kobe was at his peak in 2003 when Lebron was a rookie. Durant was a rookie in '07, Westbrook 2008, Harden 2009, Leonard 2011, Giannis 2013 etc.

Kobe had his loaded Lakers teams too while teams like OKC were young as hell and Lebron didn't play with a single all star for the first 7 years of his career, even took his Heat a full year to click by 2012.

FROM 2010-2013 WestBrook averaged around 5 points less a game than KOBE and SHOT AT A LOWER %. I don't know what basketball world you live in, but nobody considered 2010-2013 Westbrook 'elite' he was just an all star.

Look at the shot attempts, pro experience, hell games won, you aren't factoring any of these things in. Westbrook was barely 3 years pro in 2011.

The most shots WB has taken is 24 to drop 31.6 PPG while averaging 10.7 rebs and 10.4 assists. Kobe has NEVER had a single season as good as this.

These guys aren't taking less shots because they can't score on high volume, they've proven they can. They limit their shot attempts because it LOSES you games.

It's the same thing that lost LA the championship in 04 and nearly in 2011, Kobe's high volume attempts hurt his team.

When Kobe was dropping 27ppg on 46% his Lakers barely won 45 games, that's with Howard, Nash, MWP, Jamison, Gasol. Westbrook won 47 without Durant last year!

Curry,Westbrook, Harden all had 4 elite seasons. That's it. To match Kobe's elite seasons of 2001-2011, they need 6 more to go. Curry will never reach it. He's 30. You telling me at 36 he will still be elite? That will be the first.


Now if you lower the bar into 'ALL STAR' seasons,(ala maybe 22-23 PPG average, good all around play) Kobe had 14. The rest of the guys you mentioned bar Lebron and Durant all had maybe 6-7(still a long way away)


Regardless of Elite or All Star standards, one standard is for sure.

FROM 2010-2013 Kobe Bryant had better stats and was a better player than Curry,Harden,Westbrook. By 2014, he was already a shell.

But you are probably a crazy person who thinks 22 points from Steph at 45% is >than 27 Points from Kobe at 46

Again, all this relates to shot attempts, experience, and teams. Give any of these players the volume of shots Kobe was given throughout his career and they will match/surpass his scoring while also giving you things like rebounds, assists, 3pt shooting etc. Kobe's stats are an illusion, it looks good on paper but in game it's not productive as these others guys who aren't averaging 24 shots per game and instead around just 18.

[Cutthroat]

You're like a parrot. You just repeat what haters say. What's it like watching the NBA for only 8 years? Shaq has ZERO rings without Kobe. Kobe has more rings than Shaq.

Shaq literally won a championship with Miami LOL and Wade did something Kobe could NEVER do and that's win a finals MVP over Shaq.

[STREET CLEANER]

I noticed Kobe have become underrated these days. Lots of stupid people out there saying he's around top 12-top 15 when he's easily top 7 All Time based on stats/longevity/skillset. He's peak isn't as impressive as the peak of Lebron/Jordan/Shaq/Kareem/Bird but his overall longevity of 12 superstar level years is unmatched other than by Lebron/Jordan/Kareem.

Curry's had 3 superstar years and people acting like he gonna be greater than Kobe.

Kobe has as many supporters as he has haters, of course when you average at this point in time he will be under-rated.

Give it some time and he will slowly ascend

[Lomadeaux]

Shaq literally won a championship with Miami LOL and Wade did something Kobe could NEVER do and that's win a finals MVP over Shaq.

What year did you start watching basketball? ‘05

[JasonBoxing]

You're not factoring in things like shot attempts, 3pt, years in the league, shooting, assists, turnovers, or the fact that Curry was barely in his 2nd year 7 seasons ago. Year by year, season by season, Curry and others are flat out better, they're just young.

Kobe takes more shots than ANY player ever. It took him 27 shots to score 35ppg, Curry scored 30ppg on 20 shots, that's 7 less. This is basic math my dude. Again, that's not counting Curry's 50% from 2, 45% from 3, assists-to's, mins. etc. all of which kill Kobe.

Curry averaged 22.9ppg but shot 45% from 2 AND 3.
5 seasons ago Kobe was shooting 32% from 3, his career average.

Curry's 3pt shooting is LEGENDARY. Right now he's shooting 41% on 9.9 attempts, it's unheard of. Instantly makes any offense/teammate better.

-Curry also only attempted 17.7 shots, Kobe 20.4. 3 more shots to average just 4 more points. Curry>Kobe
-Curry averaged 6.9 assists & 3.1 turnovers.
Kobe 6.0 & 3.7, his best AST-TO ratio ever. Curry> Kobe
-Curry even edges Kobe in steals even when the league allowed hand checking. Curry>Kobe

Curry even plays less minutes than Kobe, no stat padding.




The average NBA player does not reach their peak until 27 years of age. The first few years are a developmental phase just as Kobe went through.

Kobe was at his peak in 2003 when Lebron was a rookie. Durant was a rookie in '07, Westbrook 2008, Harden 2009, Leonard 2011, Giannis 2013 etc.

Kobe had his loaded Lakers teams too while teams like OKC were young as hell and Lebron didn't play with a single all star for the first 7 years of his career, even took his Heat a full year to click by 2012.



Look at the shot attempts, pro experience, hell games won, you aren't factoring any of these things in. Westbrook was barely 3 years pro in 2011.

The most shots WB has taken is 24 to drop 31.6 PPG while averaging 10.7 rebs and 10.4 assists. Kobe has NEVER had a single season as good as this.

These guys aren't taking less shots because they can't score on high volume, they've proven they can. They limit their shot attempts because it LOSES you games.

It's the same thing that lost LA the championship in 04 and nearly in 2011, Kobe's high volume attempts hurt his team.

When Kobe was dropping 27ppg on 46% his Lakers barely won 45 games, that's with Howard, Nash, MWP, Jamison, Gasol. Westbrook won 47 without Durant last year!




Again, all this relates to shot attempts, experience, and teams. Give any of these players the volume of shots Kobe was given throughout his career and they will match/surpass his scoring while also giving you things like rebounds, assists, 3pt shooting etc. Kobe's stats are an illusion, it looks good on paper but in game it's not productive as these others guys who aren't averaging 24 shots per game and instead around just 18.

ok so
you saying curry averaging 22 at 45%> than kobe at 27 at 46% because less shot attempts
cool

so
if someone averaged 10 points on higher efficiency than someone averaging 20? 10ppg is better?

or the guy averaging 3 points on super efficient shooting?

22 is too big of a gap compare to 27. sorry.

also stephs 22ppg season is not elite. neither was his 14ppg or 18ppg seasons.

you said he had 7 elite seasons.

show me

[JasonBoxing]

You're not factoring in things like shot attempts, 3pt, years in the league, shooting, assists, turnovers, or the fact that Curry was barely in his 2nd year 7 seasons ago. Year by year, season by season, Curry and others are flat out better, they're just young.

Kobe takes more shots than ANY player ever. It took him 27 shots to score 35ppg, Curry scored 30ppg on 20 shots, that's 7 less. This is basic math my dude. Again, that's not counting Curry's 50% from 2, 45% from 3, assists-to's, mins. etc. all of which kill Kobe.

Curry averaged 22.9ppg but shot 45% from 2 AND 3.
5 seasons ago Kobe was shooting 32% from 3, his career average.

Curry's 3pt shooting is LEGENDARY. Right now he's shooting 41% on 9.9 attempts, it's unheard of. Instantly makes any offense/teammate better.

-Curry also only attempted 17.7 shots, Kobe 20.4. 3 more shots to average just 4 more points. Curry>Kobe
-Curry averaged 6.9 assists & 3.1 turnovers.
Kobe 6.0 & 3.7, his best AST-TO ratio ever. Curry> Kobe
-Curry even edges Kobe in steals even when the league allowed hand checking. Curry>Kobe

Curry even plays less minutes than Kobe, no stat padding.




The average NBA player does not reach their peak until 27 years of age. The first few years are a developmental phase just as Kobe went through.

Kobe was at his peak in 2003 when Lebron was a rookie. Durant was a rookie in '07, Westbrook 2008, Harden 2009, Leonard 2011, Giannis 2013 etc.

Kobe had his loaded Lakers teams too while teams like OKC were young as hell and Lebron didn't play with a single all star for the first 7 years of his career, even took his Heat a full year to click by 2012.



Look at the shot attempts, pro experience, hell games won, you aren't factoring any of these things in. Westbrook was barely 3 years pro in 2011.

The most shots WB has taken is 24 to drop 31.6 PPG while averaging 10.7 rebs and 10.4 assists. Kobe has NEVER had a single season as good as this.

These guys aren't taking less shots because they can't score on high volume, they've proven they can. They limit their shot attempts because it LOSES you games.

It's the same thing that lost LA the championship in 04 and nearly in 2011, Kobe's high volume attempts hurt his team.

When Kobe was dropping 27ppg on 46% his Lakers barely won 45 games, that's with Howard, Nash, MWP, Jamison, Gasol. Westbrook won 47 without Durant last year!




Again, all this relates to shot attempts, experience, and teams. Give any of these players the volume of shots Kobe was given throughout his career and they will match/surpass his scoring while also giving you things like rebounds, assists, 3pt shooting etc. Kobe's stats are an illusion, it looks good on paper but in game it's not productive as these others guys who aren't averaging 24 shots per game and instead around just 18.

show me 7 elite seasons from westbrook harden and steph.

[Cutthroat]

ok so
you saying curry averaging 22 at 45%> than kobe at 27 at 46% because less shot attempts
cool

so
if someone averaged 10 points on higher efficiency than someone averaging 20? 10ppg is better?

or the guy averaging 3 points on super efficient shooting?

22 is too big of a gap compare to 27. sorry.

also stephs 22ppg season is not elite. neither was his 14ppg or 18ppg seasons.

you said he had 7 elite seasons.

show me

I'm saying volume 3pt shooting>2pt shooting
Producing on Less shots>More shots
21 year old Curry>21 year old Kobe
Team play>Kobe's ISO ball
Producing in Less minutes>More minutes


Kobe has gone over 20 shot attempts 13x in his career. Curry ONCE, Westbrook 3x, James 5x, Harden ONCE, Leonard ZERO, Giannis ZERO. etc. Not a single player in this era has shot 27 shots per game like when Kobe averaged 35ppg. So how can any of these players average 35ppg when they're literally taking 10 less shots per game? You must adjust the shots in relation to the points scored, Kobe shot more than any other player ever.


Taking more shots does not make Kobe a better player, it makes him WORSE.

Curry barely averaged 4ppg less than Kobe despite taking 3 less shots. Those 3 shots could easily be 9 more points to his average.

When Curry was given 20 shots per game, ONCE in his career, he averaged 30ppg, 50% from 2, 45% on 11 3's per game. When Kobe is given 20 he put up 27ppg, 45% from 2, 32% from 3 on 4 attempts, had less steals, assists, but more turnovers. Which is better?

This year he's taking 17.7 shots but averaging 27.8ppg, it takes Kobe around 3-5 more shots to average the same amount of points. Missed shots=extra possessions for the opponent.

Curry is 13% better from 3 than Kobe, that is a HUGE gap.
7.7 3pt attempts per game on 45% shooting hasn't even been reached by prime Ray Allen or Reggie Miller and that's a down year for Curry. That is STAR status.

If someone is averaging 10ppg on high efficiency they're a role player, once you start reaching around 17 shots per game on that efficiency you start reaching star level.

All these players have proven, when you increase their volume of shots they match/surpass Kobe in PPG. They're better 3pt shooters, get more steals, rebounders, better passers, better teammates in general etc. all in less minutes too! Kobe used to play 40 against back ups, garbage time mins while he stat padded to catch Jordan's record. Meanwhile Curry is playing 34 mins primarily against the starters.