Israeli ground forces enter Gaza

[BattlingNelson]

The IDF has said that Hamas fires rockets from civilian areas. Today both France24 and english NDTV confirmed that rockets has been fired from densely populated civilian areas. Footage has just been shown as evidence.

A danish reporter just returning from Gaza also says that he saw rockets fired close to the hotel where he stayed in Gaza City. He immidiately grabbed his helmet and fragmentation vest knowing that the Israelis would soon counter.

[Weebler I]

This is complete nonsense to talk about if Hamas had fired rockets first or Israel did it. Because Israel is an illegal country (although its legal on the paper have been deserved through money) which have violated international laws and human rights many time, looks like to discuss with a bully about who will read the newspaper first, who pops up suddenly and seizes the big part of your home by saying "my granpa was the first owner of this house b..tch", despite his granpa was just one of the several residents living along of the house, despite they expand their borders each passing day by violating the rights of others, despite they keep other folks under sieges (another human rights violation) etc etc etc. So even if Hamas would fire an atomic bomb, its OK with me, I would do the same thing.

Great logic. You say it doesn't matter if Hamas fired rockets because Israel doesn't deserve to exist. Helpful stuff.

Bottom line, if they stopped firing rockets Israel wouldn't be responding and people wouldn't be dying.

But, Hamas can't stop firing rockets because they're outright terrorists intent on death and destruction. We'll they're getting it, just not upon their intended targets.

[Resilient]

If Israel was a muslim country (i'm speaking hypothetically of course) that was responding in the same manner to the rockets fired by Palestine, there would be the same level of outrage that there was at the crisis in Syria, Libya, and to what is currently going on in Iraq.

[Weebler I]

Dont start a war if you're gonna cry foul.

Hamas and palestinians chant death to innocent people, praise suicide bombers and shoot into civilian pop, and hide weapons in schools used by the UN. Where is your outrage? These are war crimes

Always sad when there are civilian casualties on both sides but Gaza should have never attacked. We are talking a terrorist settlement that has attached suicide bombs to children often but now use civilian casualties as media hype. That is how Gaza does it.

This is the reality, they're terrorists whose leaders live the high life in 5 star hotels while their people on the ground suffer the consequences of their crimes.

The West isn't fooled anyway:

[jaded]

Artillery data reveals Hamas lies and media cover-up about Israel

http://allenbwest.com/2014/07/artill...-cover-israel/

Written by Allen West on July 31, 2014




As a former Artillery officer, the one thing I loved about artillery is that the data never lies. What I mean is that with our ability to use physics and math, you can always ascertain the truth about the point of origin and point of impact of a mortar, artillery shell, rocket, or missile. And with today’s counter artillery/rocket/missile radar systems, it’s almost child’s play.

So when Hamas claims (and the media parrots) that Israel is shooting rockets at neighborhoods and hospitals, you just need to review the data. And what it reveals is lies and a media cover-up.

Over at Legal Insurrection, I found some interesting information about the recent “rocket” attack into a Gaza neighborhood and hospital. The report says, “one of the stories thrust into the mainstream media was nearly simultaneous explosions in a Palestinian neighborhood and at al-Shifa hospital. The media immediately took the Hamas line that it was Israeli missiles. Later, the IDF stated that it had not fired on those locations, and that the explosions were misfired Hamas or Islamic Jihad missiles.”

The screen shot below — which obviously came from IDF radar — clearly shows a point of origin and flight trajectory of rockets emanating from within Gaza — and it seems that the result was a misfire or short round from Hamas or Islamic Jihad. Folks, take my word, radars don’t lie, and for the sake of the people of Israel, they must not.IDF-image-Shati-and-al-Shifa-Rocket-misfires-e1406673971223-620x439



Now I have no idea about the specific ballistic solutions generated to create firing data for these rockets, but it seems that out of the volley fired, some of these rockets went errant. There are many reasons why an indirect fire projectile can have a failed ballistic solution — human error, charge error, meteorological effects, or just munition malfunction. And I can bet neither Hamas nor Islamic Jihad will to admit to any of this.

However, on the IDF side, you have what is called an ROF (Record of Fire) which lists the fire mission by mission number i.e. AB1234, target location, rounds fired, quadrant elevation, deflection (azimuth direction), charge and shell/fFZ combination. It would be rather easy to investigate a firing error, and I bet the IDF artillery units did so by calling “cease fire freeze.”

Of course, that’s not the story Hamas or our own Leftist anti-Israel media want you to know. Seems there’s a bit of a cover-up going on. Legal Insurrection has a number of stories and tweets from reporters beginning to uncover the truth, including this Italian journalist who is telling the truth now that he’s out of Gaza and no longer fears Hamas retaliation:



So, could it be that there have been more of these misfires from Hamas and Islamic Jihad that media sources are either intimidated into not reporting or simply too lazy to report? I bet the IDF would be more than happy to provide their ROFs for media scrutiny. How about the Islamic terrorists? Methinks not. So I would offer from henceforth that – particularly for our American media — start asking people who know a little about indirect fire and stop making these blind politically-driven agenda condemnations about who is shooting who.

Like I said, artillery doesn’t lie. When you pull the lanyard or push the button, there are clear means to ascertain what went where.

[jaded]

Italian Journalist Defies Hamas: Out of Gaza Far From Hamas Retaliation: Misfired Rocket Killed Children in Shati

July 30, 2014 9:53 am
http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/07/30...dren-in-shati/

Italian journalist Gabriele Barbati said he was able to speak freely about witnessing a Hamas misfire that killed nine children at the Shati camp, confirming the Israel Defense Forces version of events, but only after leaving Gaza, far from Hamas retaliation.

On Twitter, Barbati, Jerusalem Correspondent for Radio Popolare Milano, and a former reporter for Sky Italia, in Beijing, said, Out of #Gaza far from #Hamas retaliation: misfired rocket killed children yday [yesterday] in Shati. Witness: militants rushed and cleared debris.

He said, @IDFSpokesperson said truth in communique released yesterday about Shati camp massacre. It was not #Israel behind it.


An IDF diagram showing how four rockets from Gaza hit the sea, Israel, Shati and Al Shifa Hospital. Photo: IDF.

On Tuesday, the IDF released aerial photos showing how a rocket from Gaza targeting Israel hit the Shati camp, run by the UNRWA, and Al Shifa Hospital, which has become a de-facto Hamas headquarters, against international rules of war.

Barbati said he was unable to speak about the Al Shifa hit, but he was certain that it was a Hamas rocket that hit the Shati camp, and a witness saw militants rushing to clean the debris.

Blogger Elder of Ziyon, who praised Barbati for telling the truth in a war where many journalists have been intimidated by Hamas, noted that When Hamas made the area off limits to reporters, it was cleaning the area from any debris that could show the truth.

On Tuesday, CAMERA, the Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America, called out two correspondents from The Wall Street Journal for deleting photographs that would implicate Hamas in the war crime of using the Al Shifa hospital as a military headquarters. Other journalists, including a Gazan reporter for French media recounted to France's Libération how Hamas had interrogated him in the same hospital, but later asked the newspaper to take down the story.

Elder of Ziyon said, Every single report on TV from Gaza should have this disclaimer: Our reporters have been threatened, implicitly and perhaps explicitly, by Hamas to only report one side of the story. Viewers must not trust anything they are saying.
There is an assumption of fairness in journalism, a contract between the media and the viewers, the influential blogger said. This contract has been broken, as far as I can tell, by nearly every single reporter in Gaza in nearly every report, with a couple of rare exceptions.

[Johnny Steele]

Please get a better understanding of Islam before you start spouting nonsense. The word 'Inshallah' has blessing in terms of reward, do you think Muslims would have had multiple empires across different continents, made so much contributions towards Science/Maths/Theology etc if they just sat down all day and said Inshallah?

Citation needed.
The bold is a pack of ****ing lies and you know it.

Clay was a draft dodging coward and a **** fighter.

[Drunken Cat]

Citation needed.
The bold is a pack of ****ing lies and you know it.

Clay was a draft dodging coward and a **** fighter.

Lol, the bold--that Muslims have contributed to math and science--is not at all lies.

Have you ever heard of 'Arabic numerals?'

In case you haven't, here are the first ten of them:

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10.

These were actually from India and transmitted to the West by Arabs.

Ever heard of the Renaissance?

The basis of this event was the rediscovery of Greek documents, preserved by the Arabs, which had been smuggled out of the Byzantine Empire, which had become an authoritarian police state which no longer respected academic freedom.

You could have better criticized the sentence before.

While Arabs did have large empires in the distant past (the Ummayad Empire, founded by Muhammad--for which the Koran is basically a military creed--and their successors, the Abbasyds.

However, Arabs lived under subjugation for centuries--mostly under the Ottoman Empire--which was Muslim but Turkish. There are those who say it is this lack of tradition of self-governance on the part of the Arabs which is behind their inability to govern themselves.

I think this is most likely a racialist misdirection of more prescient concrete realities of underlying events, but who's to say for sure.

[Johnny Steele]

Lol, the bold--that Muslims have contributed to math and science--is not at all lies.

Have you ever heard of 'Arabic numerals?'

In case you haven't, here are the first ten of them:

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10.

These were actually from India and transmitted to the West by Arabs.

Ever heard of the Renaissance?

The basis of this event was the rediscovery of Greek documents, preserved by the Arabs, which had been smuggled out of the Byzantine Empire, which had become an authoritarian police state which no longer respected academic freedom.

You could have better criticized the sentence before.

While Arabs did have large empires in the distant past (the Ummayad Empire, founded by Muhammad--for which the Koran is basically a military creed--and their successors, the Abbasyds.

However, Arabs lived under subjugation for centuries--mostly under the Ottoman Empire--which was Muslim but Turkish. There are those who say it is this lack of tradition of self-governance on the part of the Arabs which is behind their inability to govern themselves.

I think this is most likely a racialist misdirection of more prescient concrete realities of underlying events, but who's to say for sure.

Are you sick in the head or something?

Where is the proof for those 27 paragraphs of horse ****
you wrote?

You are a liar.

If nazis claimed they invented fire it wouldn't make it true you
rat b@stard.

[Amazinger]

Lol, the bold--that Muslims have contributed to math and science--is not at all lies.

Have you ever heard of 'Arabic numerals?'

In case you haven't, here are the first ten of them:

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10.

These were actually from India and transmitted to the West by Arabs.

Ever heard of the Renaissance?

The basis of this event was the rediscovery of Greek documents, preserved by the Arabs, which had been smuggled out of the Byzantine Empire, which had become an authoritarian police state which no longer respected academic freedom.

You could have better criticized the sentence before.

While Arabs did have large empires in the distant past (the Ummayad Empire, founded by Muhammad--for which the Koran is basically a military creed--and their successors, the Abbasyds.

However, Arabs lived under subjugation for centuries--mostly under the Ottoman Empire--which was Muslim but Turkish. There are those who say it is this lack of tradition of self-governance on the part of the Arabs which is behind their inability to govern themselves.

I think this is most likely a racialist misdirection of more prescient concrete realities of underlying events, but who's to say for sure.

Nothing good ever came out of Islam!.