Hitler killed millions in the name of atheism

[squealpiggy]

Adolf was certainly not a man of god.

Adolf clearly would disagree with that statement. He certainly was no atheist.

[them_apples]

That would be a fairly shallow and unrewarding existence though, would it not?

If that's a pretty shallow existence, meet the average student.

I honestly think rehab centers are going to be in some huge business in 20 years. I don't know anyone anymore who isn't getting smashed off their face on weekends these days..it can't be good for the health. Used to do it myself, I don't know how people can continue to do it.

hey it's a choice...

[them_apples]

Adolf clearly would disagree with that statement. He certainly was no atheist.

You are just playing a war of words, where in the Bible does it tell people to kill one another? Have you even read the Bible? Do you take metaphor's from the old testament and exploit them to make the bible appear violent. How is Hitler a Christian?

would i be Muslim If I burned the Koran every day but told people I was Muslim to fit in?

from what I have read of the Bible, it's main role promotes good morals. No stealing, killing etc...all things that I hope you wouldn't agree with....that is..if you have morals..like you say. Hitler obviously didn't give 2 ****s about Christianity and used it as a tool. He was a madman.

[ILLuminato]

Adolf clearly would disagree with that statement. He certainly was no atheist.

I can prove he was an atheist or heavily influenced by atheism.

Can you at least agree with me that Barack obama is definitely not a real Christian??????

[squealpiggy]

If that's a pretty shallow existence, meet the average student.

I have met students, and it's still a pretty shallow existence.

You are just playing a war of words, where in the Bible does it tell people to kill one another?

Is this a trick question?

Do you take metaphor's from the old testament and exploit them to make the bible appear violent.

The bible is extraordinarily violent. And the most egregious parts of the bible are the parts which are supposed to be a literal historical account (Numbers, Deuteronomy, Exodus, Chronicles, Judges and Kings), not the parts which are obvious metaphors.

How is Hitler a Christian?

By believing in Jesus Christ as the son of god, the same way every other christian is a christian.

from what I have read of the Bible, it's main role promotes good morals. No stealing, killing etc...

Then you have read a very small amount of the bible, the parts cherry picked by the rehabilitators of christianity who have censored the darker nastier parts of "god's unchangeable holy word" in favour of the nice "can't we just get along" parts.

I can prove he was an atheist or heavily influenced by atheism.

****, or get off the pot.

Can you at least agree with me that Barack obama is definitely not a real Christian??????

He goes to church, he has an official chaplain, he holds white house prayers sessions. While not as ****bat as the previous president he certainly seems to at least work through the motions of christianity. He's a secularist however, which is the only sane way of governing.

[blacksocks]

I can prove he was an atheist or heavily influenced by atheism.

Can you at least agree with me that Barack obama is definitely not a real Christian??????

Thank God Obama is not a religious idiot!

Religion hijacked morality.


"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."

-- Steven Weinberg

[them_apples]

I have met students, and it's still a pretty shallow existence.



Is this a trick question?



The bible is extraordinarily violent. And the most egregious parts of the bible are the parts which are supposed to be a literal historical account (Numbers, Deuteronomy, Exodus, Chronicles, Judges and Kings), not the parts which are obvious metaphors.



By believing in Jesus Christ as the son of god, the same way every other christian is a christian.



Then you have read a very small amount of the bible, the parts cherry picked by the rehabilitators of christianity who have censored the darker nastier parts of "god's unchangeable holy word" in favour of the nice "can't we just get along" parts.



****, or get off the pot.



He goes to church, he has an official chaplain, he holds white house prayers sessions. While not as ****bat as the previous president he certainly seems to at least work through the motions of christianity. He's a secularist however, which is the only sane way of governing.

you don't even know what a Christian is by the sounds of it. You invest more time into discrediting it then you do finding any logical reference.

As usual, you skip the the "in favour of the nice "can't we just get along" parts" write them off as bogus and focus on violent metaphors in the old testament.

In the new testament find something that promotes violence.

But, i do know some Christians that follow the old testament and would be described as nut bags...of course..they all live in the south and therefore are the perfect example of all Christians on this earth.


and yea...you skipped my Muslim example..


the biggest proof though, where I live, the most violent people are never religious. On television..always religious. Fancy that..


*awaits next religious derogatory remarks..*

[Texanballer]

1. Adolf Hitler: Acting According to God's Will

I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 2

2. Adolf Hitler: Thanking God

Even today I am not ashamed to say that, overpowered by stormy enthusiasm, I fell down on my knees and thanked Heaven from an overflowing heart for granting me the good fortune of being permitted to live at this time.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 5

3. Adolf Hitler: Deutschland Über Alles

I had so often sung 'Deutschland über Alles' and shouted 'Heil' at the top of my lungs, that it seemed to me almost a belated act of grace to be allowed to stand as a witness in the divine court of the eternal judge and proclaim the sincerity of this conviction.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 5

4. Adolf Hitler: God's Grace Smiles

Once again the songs of the fatherland roared to the heavens along the endless marching columns, and for the last time the Lord's grace smiled on His ungrateful children.

- Adolf Hitler reflecting on World War I, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1, Chapter 7

5. Adolf Hitler: Fulfilling God's Mission

What we have to fight for is the necessary security for the existence and increase of our race and people, the subsistence of its children and the maintenance of our racial stock unmixed, the freedom and independence of the Fatherland; so that our people may be enabled to fulfill the mission assigned to it by the Creator.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 8

6. Adolf Hitler: Fate of God

But if out of smugness, or even cowardice, this battle is not fought to its end, then take a look at the peoples five hundred years from now. I think you will find but few images of God, unless you want to profane the Almighty.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 10

7. Adolf Hitler: Sin Against the Will of God

In short, the results of miscegenation are always the following: (a) The level of the superior race becomes lowered; (b) physical and mental degeneration sets in, thus leading slowly but steadily towards a progressive drying up of the vital sap. The act which brings about such a development is a sin against the will of the Eternal Creator. And as a sin this act will be avenged.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 11

8. Adolf Hitler: Sacrilege Against God

Anyone who dares to lay hands on the highest image of the Lord commits sacrilege against the benevolent creator of this miracle and contributes to the expulsion from paradise.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf Vol. 2 Chapter 1

9. Adolf Hitler: Confidence in God

Thus inwardly armed with confidence in God and the unshakable stupidity of the voting citizenry, the politicians can begin the fight for the 'remaking' of the Reich as they call it.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf Vol. 2 Chapter 1

10. Adolf Hitler: Gold has Replaced God

It may be that today gold has become the exclusive ruler of life, but the time will come when man will again bow down before a higher god.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf Vol. 2 Chapter 2

11. Adolf Hitler: Sin Against the Will of God

It doesn't dawn on this depraved bourgeois world that this is positively a sin against all reason; that it is criminal lunacy to keep on drilling a born half-ape until people think they have made a lawyer out of him, while millions of members of the highest culture-race must remain in entirely unworthy positions; that it is a sin against the will of the Eternal Creator if His most gifted beings by the hundreds and hundreds of thousands are allowed to degenerate in the present proletarian morass, while Hottentots and Zulu Kaffirs are trained for intellectual professions.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf Vol. 2 Chapter 2

12. Adolf Hitler: Creation of God

That this is possible may not be denied in a world where hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people voluntarily submit to celibacy, obligated and bound by nothing except the injunction of the Church. Should the same renunciation not be possible if this injunction is replaced by the admonition finally to put an end to the constant and continuous original sin of racial poisoning, and to give the Almighty Creator beings such as He Himself created?

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf Vol. 2 Chapter 2

13. Adolf Hitler: Don't Just Talk About Fulfilling God's Will

The folkish-minded man, in particular, has the sacred duty, each in his own denomination, of making people stop just talking superficially of God's will, and actually fulfill God's will, and not let God's word be desecrated. For God's will gave men their form, their essence and their abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the Lord's creation, the divine will.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf Vol. 2 Chapter 10

14. Adolf Hitler: Doing Justice to God

To do justice to God and our own conscience, we have turned once more to the German Volk.

- Adolf Hitler in speech about the need for a moral regeneration of German, February 10, 1933

15. Adolf Hitler: Going Where God Wills

I go the way that Providence dictates with the assurance of a sleepwalker.

- Adolf Hitler, Speech, March 15, 1936, Munich, Germany

16. Adolf Hitler: May God Bless Us

May divine providence bless us with enough courage and enough determination to perceive within ourselves this holy German space.

- Adolf Hitler, Speech, March 24, 1933

17. Adolf Hitler: When We Appear Before God...

We don't ask the Almighty, 'Lord, make us free!" We want to be active, to work, to work together, so that when the hour comes that we appear before the Lord we can say to him: 'Lord, you see that we have changed.' The German people is no longer a people of dishonor and shame, of self-destructiveness and cowardice. No, Lord, the German people is once more strong in spirit, strong in determination, strong in the willingness to bear every sacrifice. Lord, now bless our battle and our freedom, and therefore our German people and fatherland.

- Adolf Hitler, Prayer, May 1, 1933

18. Adolf Hitler: Fighting for the Lord's Work

I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator. By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord's work.

- Adolf Hitler, Speech, Reichstag, 1936

19. Adolf Hitler in Conversation with Cardinal Michael von Faulhaber

The Catholic Church should not deceive herself: if National Socialism does not succeed in defeating Bolshevism, then Church and Christianity in Europe too are finished. Bolshevism is the mortal enemy of the Church as much as of Fascism. ...Man cannot exist without belief in God. The soldier who for three and four days lies under intense bombardment needs a religious prop.

- Adolf Hitler in conversation with Cardinal Michael von Faulhaber of Bavaria, November 4, 1936








some athiest

I took a class on the holocaust. Hitler's writings about believing in God were just to get people comfortable with him. After he takes over he views himself almost like a God

[Rocky...]

Hitler was catholic.

[squealpiggy]

you don't even know what a Christian is by the sounds of it. You invest more time into discrediting it then you do finding any logical reference.

So now the definition of "christian" has to be narrowed to a specific one that you consider to be "correct"? Atrocities have been committed in the name of christianity. Pretending that the perpetrators were somehow not "real" christians doesn't change that.

As usual, you skip the the "in favour of the nice "can't we just get along" parts" write them off as bogus and focus on violent metaphors in the old testament.

Untrue. I acknowledge the nice "why can't we all just get along" parts but I recognise that those parts are not the overriding theme of the bible. Or even of the new testament.

In the new testament find something that promotes violence.

Matthew

10:21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.

10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

Mark

6:11 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city

Luke

3:17 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and will gather the wheat into his garner; but the chaff he will burn with fire unquenchable.

12:5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

12:46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.

12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

John

3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Acts

3:23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

5:1 But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,

5:2 And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet.

5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?

5:4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

5:5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.

5:6 And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him.
5:7 And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in.

5:8 And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much.

5:9 Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out.

5:10 Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.

5:11 And great fear came upon all the church, and upon as many as heard these things.

12:23 And immediately the angel of the Lord smote him, because he gave not God the glory: and he was eaten of worms, and gave up the ghost.

Romans

1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

1 Corinthians

10:8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.

2 Thessalonians

2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Hebrews

10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

2 Peter

3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Oh and the entirety of Revelation.

But, i do know some Christians that follow the old testament and would be described as nut bags...of course..they all live in the south and therefore are the perfect example of all Christians on this earth

And you say that I'm the one generalizing about Christians.

and yea...you skipped my Muslim example

That's because it was a bad example. Hitler in part justified the killing of the jews because they were Christ killers. Both the bible and the Koran are vague enough to be able to use them to justify widespread murder. Burning the Koran would be very anti-muslim, killing jews is in the grand old tradition of christian jew-killing.

the biggest proof though, where I live, the most violent people are never religious.

I think that you are making this up.

On television..always religious. Fancy that..

You're also making this up in an attempt to construct a fantasy world in which christians are still persecuted.

I took a class on the holocaust. Hitler's writings about believing in God were just to get people comfortable with him. After he takes over he views himself almost like a God

He views himself as an agent of god delivered by divine providence to restore Germany and the Aryan race as the rulers of the world. Not really the attitude of an atheist.