Bench or push?

[potatoes]

At last you are putting forward a reasonable argument without resorting to BS claims

I cannot see how weights could improve hand speed, but it should certainly improve punching power because the punch is generated from the legs, hips and shoulders so it stands to reason that if you make these stronger then the punch should be stronger too, shouldnt it?

You don't have to carry excess mass and bulk to be stronger and you shouldn't be doing tons of weights. Just a few basic core, compound exercises that work multiple bodyparts will promote strength and muscle condition and muscle endurance.

There are great benefits of weight training but the right exercises have to be selected so that they will aid performance, not hinder it. Keep an open mind to these arguments Potatoes, or at least do some research regarding weight training, slow/fast twitch muscle fibres, osteoporosis, etc and you'll see that it's not the devil you think it is.

You will be lucky to find one boxing club in a thousand where the level of sophistication in training corresponds to anything you might find in an Olympic training program at a university. Sport science has come a long way, but boxing clubs are still back in the middle ages. The reality is boxers shouldn't be pumping iron. There isn't one boxer in a hundred-thousand that knows how to properly train with weights, and that is assuming weight training is of any benefit to boxers. All they are doing is pumping themselves up then dehydrating to make weight. I don't see any sense behind that whatsoever.

Tony Zale once said: "Boxing is the only sport that never went to college."

[NJFighter91]

weight training sucks...end of discussion

[Southpaw Stinger]

weight training sucks...end of discussion

I would have to agree.

discussion ends

[hemichromis]

weight training sucks...end of discussion

you told me!

[Chimps.Ahoy]

Are push ups more effective than Bench pressing? This guy in my 8th period (Sophmore) does around 400 push ups a day, and he barely started benching since he joined football. He says he uses 200lbs to warm up. So, which is more effective? Benching or push ups?

There's no such thing as "better". Cycle both of them into your training regimen. You might do push-ups for several weeks, then switch to bench presses once your body has adapted to bodyweight exercises.

Remember, to be a complete fighter you need to have a complete program. Do both to combat boredom in training.

[KingDosia]

How the hell did boxers ever survive before the weightlifting fad began?

The more I view your replies on the subject the more respect I lose completely for you and your opinion. You lose your credibility daily. Your argumenst have lost there battle years ago when infact the development of athletes evolved past your ideal training regemine.
First of all you are quick to use the term Fad, as if we have been doing it for the last couple of months rather than decades. As if someday science and the athletes represented by. are going to just one day decide hey guys this isn't working. HMMM
Say you were correct " just for arguments sake" why are your breed dying? Why do people who swear by "old time" training routines drop off the scene comletely? They are sooo good. Why don't you see them any more?
I guess to you we should all go out and put on some combat boots run the 5-6 miles throw some tires and chop some trees and call it a day?

They got by before modern training. Then Modern training eliminated them from the picture. Get it? Athletes need to progress. Need to improve and push themselves to be competitave. To drop what has "and it has time and time again" been proven to be successful would be ludicris. And a giant leap backward. This sport is in need of progress. Not an old and fictitious way of training its athletes. It amuses me the best evidence you have in support of your argument lies in outdated material. To influence young minds to diminish the quality of there training makes you a negative voice in the sport. You should be punished accordingly.

[potatoes]

The more I view your replies on the subject the more respect I lose completely for you and your opinion. You lose your credibility daily. Your argumenst have lost there battle years ago when infact the development of athletes evolved past your ideal training regemine.
First of all you are quick to use the term Fad, as if we have been doing it for the last couple of months rather than decades. As if someday science and the athletes represented by. are going to just one day decide hey guys this isn't working. HMMM
Say you were correct " just for arguments sake" why are your breed dying? Why do people who swear by "old time" training routines drop off the scene comletely? They are sooo good. Why don't you see them any more?
I guess to you we should all go out and put on some combat boots run the 5-6 miles throw some tires and chop some trees and call it a day?

They got by before modern training. Then Modern training eliminated them from the picture. Get it? Athletes need to progress. Need to improve and push themselves to be competitave. To drop what has "and it has time and time again" been proven to be successful would be ludicris. And a giant leap backward. This sport is in need of progress. Not an old and fictitious way of training its athletes. It amuses me the best evidence you have in support of your argument lies in outdated material. To influence young minds to diminish the quality of there training makes you a negative voice in the sport. You should be punished accordingly.

That pic in your signature is a prime example of how wonderful modern boxing training has become.

[KingDosia]

That pic in your signature is a prime example of how wonderful modern boxing training has become.

OK thats your best argument? A pic I saw as funny? Potatoes you are rediculus, totaly misinformed, outdated and obsolete. I am now starting to believe a weightlifter sodomized you as a child or stole your girl friend. You are getting more and more ignorant as you go. Its amazing for me to see this phenomenon. The bottom line is "and this is intended for those inspiring to box, or just improve what they already do' Your strength, speed, Endurance and flexability are components which MUST be suplemented in tangent with one another if you desire to be a competitave combative athlete! Should you train every thing else and leave out your strength training you will not be succesfull against today's (modern) athlete. Your skills training will not help you. Fore you WILL face an apponent with similiar skills in which case the faster, stronger, better conditioned athlete will prevail. This is the bottom line. The training methods of yesteryear plague a wonderful sport. Boxing is slowly realizing the error And these views and opinions are fading into time which is where they belong. How can we improve every aspect of the other sports requiring similiar traits and go wrong with Boxing?

[Chimps.Ahoy]

I agree with kingdosia

[butterfly1964]

Pushups are better.