Bulking up

[opethdrums]

guys i eat like that and im not a marshmellow man.. i weigh 140 lbs. i have a high metabolism and have a hard time gaining weight so i reccomended what would work for someone like me.

i will never bulk up.. so eating like a pig just helps me grow stronger and bigger

i'm 5'10". i don't know if that matters. just so you have an idea of how much i eat and how big i am

[BigDozer260]

Can you explain this a bit more please? I've read that stretching is not effective in improving sporting performance.

Just look at flexibility in this perspective, flexibility allow u to move through a greter range of motion, that means u can start to generate more force because of a greater range of motion. Have u ever seen retired NFL all time great Barry sanders Run? Could you imagine him cutting, stops and starts, eccelerating to full speed within seconds without lower body flexibility. Well i could hamstring and groin injuries all day long. Trust me u don't want either and I've had both. Basically inflexibility hampers maximum strength and power production, because most muscles are agonist and antagonist, one produces force while the other oposes or brings the muscle back to it's resting state. If u had a flexible agonist but your antogonist muscle were stiff they would prohibit muscular force by activating to soon trying to bring the muscle back to resting length during active motion, possibly leading to a serious soft tissue injury. For inactive people this might not be that great of a deal, but for power athletes high rates of force porduction requires good flexibility or injuries will occur.

[Kid Achilles]

That and Holyfield is 6'2" and large in frame. Between his natural size and the conditioning experts he had working with him that BigDozer pointed out, he had an easier time of it than most light heavyweights have had historically.

Another light heavyweight who had success at heavyweight was Michael Spinks. Spinks was a huge light heavyweight, 6'2" with big heavyweight legs to support the extra weight. Michael Moorer another big framed 6'2" LHW.

Billy Conn was 6'1" as well.

Roy Jones would have walked into disaster if he stayed at heavyweight. You saw what Glen Johnson and Tarver did to him once he had slowed down enough so that they could catch him. The guy has a skeletal structure of a small middleweight. Don't get me wrong, Roy Jones was great, but he was not built to take a heavyweight's punch.

James Toney is a different breed as he has an iron chin as well as a fighting style that keeps him on the inside where his shortness is actually a benefit.

Though he can't match the bigboys for strength. He is rather easy for taller heavyweights to push around, despite how strong he looks. A bit like Tyson in that regard.

[booyah_76]

Just look at flexibility in this perspective, flexibility allow u to move through a greter range of motion, that means u can start to generate more force because of a greater range of motion. Have u ever seen retired NFL all time great Barry sanders Run? Could you imagine him cutting, stops and starts, eccelerating to full speed within seconds without lower body flexibility. Well i could hamstring and groin injuries all day long. Trust me u don't want either and I've had both. Basically inflexibility hampers maximum strength and power production, because most muscles are agonist and antagonist, one produces force while the other oposes or brings the muscle back to it's resting state. If u had a flexible agonist but your antogonist muscle were stiff they would prohibit muscular force by activating to soon trying to bring the muscle back to resting length during active motion, possibly leading to a serious soft tissue injury. For inactive people this might not be that great of a deal, but for power athletes high rates of force porduction requires good flexibility or injuries will occur.

Hey you're right. But what about the force-length relationship? There is an ideal muscle length for producing maximum force. I know this is just a diagram hypothesising what should happen but are you saying that the more flexible you are, the more powerful you are? And how does stretching before training affect sporting performance?

[patto1984]

hey bigdozer i read in bodybuilding.com on bulking up one guy actually says to take in a fair bit of sodium, i cant be bothered lookin up his reason for it now but i remember it, he said it might sound crazy.
Bout the stretchin b4 an event: thats why my coach reckons you never heard of many injuries back in the old days, cos they would just rock up play a hard game of football or watever n be sweet. these days everyones got injury problems.

[leff]

hey bigdozer i read in bodybuilding.com on bulking up one guy actually says to take in a fair bit of sodium, i cant be bothered lookin up his reason for it now but i remember it, he said it might sound crazy.
Bout the stretchin b4 an event: thats why my coach reckons you never heard of many injuries back in the old days, cos they would just rock up play a hard game of football or watever n be sweet. these days everyones got injury problems.

sounds like it comes from lack off warming upp, not lack off streching

[BigDozer260]

Hey you're right. But what about the force-length relationship? There is an ideal muscle length for producing maximum force. I know this is just a diagram hypothesising what should happen but are you saying that the more flexible you are, the more powerful you are? And how does stretching before training affect sporting performance?

The theory is that without proper warmup stretching might actually cause minor tissue damage. But stretching before any event has no real benefit, if you are stiff u are stiff, if your flexible you're flexible, the warm-up is the most important factor to prior to an event(i.e. workout, competition). Beign overly flexible can lead to injury as well, but as long as u maintain good flexibility your muscle will have the ability to contract to maximum capacity. So yes being more flexible makes you more stronger, not saying u can't be strong, but u can't reach maximum potential because physiologic factors will prohibit your potential.

[BigDozer260]

hey bigdozer i read in bodybuilding.com on bulking up one guy actually says to take in a fair bit of sodium, i cant be bothered lookin up his reason for it now but i remember it, he said it might sound crazy.
Bout the stretchin b4 an event: thats why my coach reckons you never heard of many injuries back in the old days, cos they would just rock up play a hard game of football or watever n be sweet. these days everyones got injury problems.

there are three reasons athletes are more injured nowadays(1)The speed of most sports today is superhuman in comparison to the past, (2)Training to match the speed of other athletes might be too strenuous for some(overtraining), and (3)Potential performance enhancing drug use. Matching the speed of sports today is a tough feat, and the body is tortured in the process of being an elite level competitor. True the training works, weight training, plyometrics, power/agility/speed training, but there are very demanding on the body, yet are neccessary in today world to succeed. Then the sports tears the body apart. Then the drugs tear the bodies of those that use them apart. Combine these factors and you'll see that in today high speed, high tech sports age injuries are inevitable.

[BigDozer260]

That and Holyfield is 6'2" and large in frame. Between his natural size and the conditioning experts he had working with him that BigDozer pointed out, he had an easier time of it than most light heavyweights have had historically.

Another light heavyweight who had success at heavyweight was Michael Spinks. Spinks was a huge light heavyweight, 6'2" with big heavyweight legs to support the extra weight. Michael Moorer another big framed 6'2" LHW.

Billy Conn was 6'1" as well.

Roy Jones would have walked into disaster if he stayed at heavyweight. You saw what Glen Johnson and Tarver did to him once he had slowed down enough so that they could catch him. The guy has a skeletal structure of a small middleweight. Don't get me wrong, Roy Jones was great, but he was not built to take a heavyweight's punch.

James Toney is a different breed as he has an iron chin as well as a fighting style that keeps him on the inside where his shortness is actually a benefit.

Though he can't match the bigboys for strength. He is rather easy for taller heavyweights to push around, despite how strong he looks. A bit like Tyson in that regard.

Jones was taking John Ruiz's punches, and don't try to tell me he can't punch, he can and he has pop, he just doesn't punch often enough. Roy jones is a prime example of neurological and phyiolgical catastrophy. He ruined his nervous sytems playback ability, imparing his skill, even the slightest impairment in skill can ruin power output. His body was and is shot, after purposely catabolizing 25lbs of active muscle tissue, to move back down to light heavy. I thnk he clearly beat Tarver the first time. But time doesn't heal all wounds, and his ill advised moved caught up to him in the form of two KO's. Glenn Johnson doesnt' hit that damm hard but he punches in such volume that it causes problems. Tarver is a bit more dangerous with that left cross, but even he is was faded by the time of Jones/Tarver II. Had Roy Jones stuck to the formula that helped himn beat Ruiz in the first place he would have found great success in the heavy division. People think that skill diminish with time. Wrong! Reflexes decrease with time, neurological motor activation decreaes with time. skills can be improved throughout life. That doesn't mean a highly skill 60 year old should fight for the title. That means that had roy jones worked on incrementally improving skill he would have gained even more power from his larger body without sacrificing his speed. If he really had a true sport conditioning expert working with him he could have become a very dangerous fighter even in the heavy division.

[BigDozer260]

Also bone mass increases with weight training so that might solve that bone structure problems to a degree.