weight training in boxing

[dctopboots01]

can you explain in better detail what you mean by this post?

like where am i agreeing with you, can you provide the quote from your self and from me where we agree?

as well where am i agreeing with ross?

and most importantly where am i saying the opposite of all this?

You for one said you dont agree with Ross and there is no evidence in whats hes saying and on the Squatting post you used his quotes and scientific evidents. Do you have something wrong with you?

[Spartacus Sully]

You for one said you dont agree with Ross and there is no evidence in whats hes saying and on the Squatting post you used his quotes and scientific evidents. Do you have something wrong with you?

can you explain in better detail what you mean by this post?

like where am i agreeing with you, can you provide the quote from your self and from me where we agree?

as well where am i agreeing with ross?

and most importantly where am i saying the opposite of all this?

quotes.

world-renowned sport scientist Yuri Verkhoshansky and colleagues established that:

"Excessive maximum strength training can impair speed-strength and technical skill in boxers." (2

yup ross said that allright...

you are just making up stuff that never happened.

[Ray Corso]

I was taught that in the beginning a new student will benefit from using his own body (weight) for lifting. Sit ups, chin ups etc. are more benefiacal at the start then weight training. You want to get stronger but not larger you need to maintain flexability. The approach has alot to do with body type also, if your biceps can grow round and large you may not want that developement in case blood flow to that muscle group will tighten then fatique. Theres a few ways to gain strength including the use of the heavy bag. Training methods have changed alot through the years some for the better and some to negative. The miss use of heavy bag training is pretty obvious to me just as the "shoe shinning" with pads has become a "mental" training exercise. Figuring out the positive and negative for each individual person in training is a very important task for trainers. What works great for one young man doesn't for another. Flexability has a multiple meaning in this sport for boxers and trainers. Ray.

[Jack3d]

Weight Training definitely has it's place in boxing.

But it's not as simple as picking up a bar or dumbbell and doing some curls. Designing a strength training regimen is much more complicated than designing a bodybuilding one. Bodybuilding is pretty simple and straight forward. Lift Moderate/Heavy weight for sets of 8-12 reps making sure you are hitting all the body parts every week to promote growth of the muscles.

Strength Training is much more complicated and so are the various exercises that will make you strong and powerful. It's much more difficult to learn how to Squat or Powerclean than it is to learn how to Curl or do Leg Extensions.

Because Strength Training is so complicated, people tend to just not bother giving it a try at all.

Let's be honest, it's much easier and convenient to do the typical push-ups, pull-ups and sit-ups than it is to put some weight on a bar and squat with good form.

There is nothing wrong with doing the basic 1950's strength training of bodyweight exercises. But once you educate yourself on the modern practices of strength training with weights and you give it a try, I guarantee you'll wonder why the hell you were wasting all your time doing hundred of push ups.

[Ray Corso]

Educating yourself to know your own body and to use it as a beginning to get in shape is a prudent way to begin. You don't need a single piece of equipment to do this and theres far less chance of injury too. Because an approach is old doesn't mean it has no merit theres a saying "tried n true" it has validity. Not sure why anyone would do hundreds of anything, theres techniques that make 25 to 50 more than enough at one time. I guess I've wasted the time of more than a few World Champs using their bodies with their minds to fine tune them using the "old" way, then again I got paid to do it my way, the old way. Results are what everyone wants and when it comes to training the least chance of injury is the smart approach and I don't know anyone whos ****ing iron leading up to a fight. 'I've never wasted a fighters time in my life and theres not a fighter ever that could waste mine.
jack3d you sound like a /boxer/bodybuilder atleast the young men I've known who use the regime your speaking of were. I utilize weights in training but not as a beginning to get in shape and definetly not when getting ready to close a camp. It has its place and each individual needs to be considered before its imployed. Lets be clear when a youngmans livihood depends on his health and his ability to learn his trainer needs to know what methods to add and what needs to be subtracted. Exercising using your body weight is for all in my opinion using weights is not for all. Sometimes knowing what not to do is as important as what to do. Ray

[Jack3d]

Educating yourself to know your own body and to use it as a beginning to get in shape is a prudent way to begin. You don't need a single piece of equipment to do this and theres far less chance of injury too. Because an approach is old doesn't mean it has no merit theres a saying "tried n true" it has validity. Not sure why anyone would do hundreds of anything, theres techniques that make 25 to 50 more than enough at one time. I guess I've wasted the time of more than a few World Champs using their bodies with their minds to fine tune them using the "old" way, then again I got paid to do it my way, the old way. Results are what everyone wants and when it comes to training the least chance of injury is the smart approach and I don't know anyone whos ****ing iron leading up to a fight. 'I've never wasted a fighters time in my life and theres not a fighter ever that could waste mine.
jack3d you sound like a /boxer/bodybuilder atleast the young men I've known who use the regime your speaking of were. I utilize weights in training but not as a beginning to get in shape and definetly not when getting ready to close a camp. It has its place and each individual needs to be considered before its imployed. Lets be clear when a youngmans livihood depends on his health and his ability to learn his trainer needs to know what methods to add and what needs to be subtracted. Exercising using your body weight is for all in my opinion using weights is not for all. Sometimes knowing what not to do is as important as what to do. Ray

You clearly didn't read or comprehend a single thing I said if you think that I'm a bodybuilder based on what I said. And you clearly didn't get what I was trying to get across

You know what else is tried and true? Dial up internet. But nobody uses it anymore because there are more efficient and effective ways to access the internet.

It's the same with strength training. **** evolves and it's time to stop living in the past.

Injury is another excuse that people use to avoid strength training, nobody ever got anywhere not taking risks or trying new things and usually these injuries occur because people go overboard or don't know what they are doing. I've never experienced an injury since I started weight training 12 years ago doing olympic lifts and powerlifts because I'm very conscious of what I'm doing and I listen to my body.

A young person's health should be taken into account. Like it maybe should be take into account when putting a fighter in the ring that is severely over-matched physically when skillset is equal. It can be equally or even more detrimental to the health of someone than pulling hamstring by using bad form on a deadlift.

A fighter than is stronger and more physically superior to his counter part could easily do more damage to a weaker opponent. Leading to severe bodily harm (concussions, broken bones, brain damage etc)

Clearly a person who goes into a ring to get punched in the face isn't exactly conscious about their health anyway, so I'm not sure where your sudden cause of concern about injury is coming from.

The convenience and simplicity in calisthenics may indeed be for all, but that doesn't mean it's the superior method.

[Spartacus Sully]

personally i dont think the issue is ever wasting time. most people work solid 8 hour jobs every day, how long do pro boxers train 3, maybe 4 hours a day at most?

they could train for another 4 hours and still not be wasting their time.

but wasting energy/and causing unnecessary recover time on the other hand is an issue.

[Rockin']

personally i dont think the issue is ever wasting time. most people work solid 8 hour jobs every day, how long do pro boxers train 3, maybe 4 hours a day at most?

they could train for another 4 hours and still not be wasting their time.

but wasting energy/and causing unnecessary recover time on the other hand is an issue.

I used to train about 3-1/2 hours a day with the gym work and road work. I would then work as a bartender for 8-10 hours a night.

When fights would come close we would then go to "two a day" workouts were I would train at noon, go home and rest and then train again at 5 or 7pm.

It was a tough schedule for me but I did it...........Rockin'

[Spartacus Sully]

I used to train about 3-1/2 hours a day with the gym work and road work. I would then work as a bartender for 8-10 hours a night.

When fights would come close we would then go to "two a day" workouts were I would train at noon, go home and rest and then train again at 5 or 7pm.

It was a tough schedule for me but I did it...........Rockin'

so like say there were 2 exercises that were proven to improve your ability the same amount.

exercise A takes 30 mins but you can do it every day with out getting sore

exercise B takse 5 mins but you cant train after you do it because your sore and there is increased chance of injury, and some times your even sore the day after you do the exercise.

would you do exercise A that dosnt make you sore but takes longer or exercise B that saves you 25 mins but keeps you from training at 100% for the rest of the day and sometimes the day after?

id go with exercise A even though it takes 25 mins longer. thats the only point i was trying to make. time can be an issue especially when your working full time and training full time but if it comes down to an extra 25 mins and the diffrence between training at 100% every day and only being able to train at 70% for the 2 days a week you include a heavy weight routine into your training, the extra 25 mins dosnt look so bad.

[Ray Corso]

jack3d; What gym did you own or own now and how many fighters have you trained? Who mentored you and taught you how to train and what methods and techniques do you employ? I'm a former boxer and trainer/manager and most of the time I speak in general because I'm speaking about a combination of individuals that all called for specific training techniques to suit their talents. I can't give specific training details about someone on the net who I don't know yet theres a few young people who give advices to people they don't know as if its the bible of boxing techniques. Slow down and take a breath and understand that what works for one doesn't work for all.
If your talking to me about how I live I can tell you theres no reason to insult people, I've said nothing to you or anyone else as to changing their living style! I've trained and counsulted alot of fighters and trainers in my life and no one has suggested a life change to me. I'll avoid you from now on I'm here to suggest on a variety of circumstances for young and veteran fighters and trainers and have no interest in a pissing contest on line were everyone is the Champ of the World. good luck to you. Ray Corso