Boxing in self defence?

[fraidycat]

A clean liver shot should put them down and just walk away after.

+ eleventy billion.

I dropped a guy like this not three months ago. Flurried to the head and threw a left shovelhook to his liver. Even with a glove on it put him on his knees. He told me later he had no idea that a bodyshot could hurt like that. And that's the crux of it: people who don't box (or kickbox) competitively have no way to comprehend what a liver shot feels like. They can't.

If you haven't taken a good liver shot, let me tell you: it must be experienced. The liver filters and stores all the toxins ingested by the body. So when you take a heavy punch (or kick, or knee) to the liver, all that crap that's stored up in there -- whatever you drank over the last few days, any drugs, sugar, Big Macs, or other poison you've put into your body over the last 48-72 hours -- gets released into your system. All at once.

It's like being kicked in the nuts except that, whereas a good kick in the nuts builds coils of pressure over 5-10 seconds that ultimately disable you, a clean hit to the liver leaves you on your knees immediately, seeing electric purple Cheetos everywhere and wanting to blow chow and sh-t your pants at the same time.

That said: if for some reason he has his hands down, JAB.

The jab is a counterintuitive weapon. Since it's snapped, it'll sting him and it's fast so he may not even see it. Throw it thumb up, fast fast fast. It's not a heavy followthrough so if you do it right you won't hurt your hands. (I can jab a wall with bare knuckles and make it go ****. So can you if you're doing it right.) And lastly, a jab gets back to your guard quickly so he can't counter. You should have worked your jab more than any other punch -- a hundred times more -- so it should be your best friend.

Actually, that's not lastly. An expert jab shows him that you know how to box and believe me on this -- I'm in the Army and there are "bad@ss" guys everywhere I turn, and I have seen this a few times, now -- most guys, no matter how tough they are, do not want to fight a trained boxer. A couple of snappy jabs from behind a solid guard and you may find his buddies "holding him back so he doesn't hurt you."

Jab him, get him flinching away with his hands up, and if he's dumb enough to keep coming, drive a hook to the liver and end the thing.

I've said it before and I stand by it: boxing is not a street-practical martial art. What makes a boxer a dangerous adversary is not punching ability. It's defense, reflexes, and the ability to take a beating.

You're not going to take anything away from backyard boxing or "body boxing" or any of that homeschooled bullsh-t that will help you on the street. You want to bring something to the fight, you need to get in a gym, get on a team, and get some matches under your belt. This will condition you to keep fighting through more psychological and physical trauma than you have ever imagined you could take, to keep your guard up and your chin down and your head cool, even when you're spitting blood and seeing fireworks. You keep taking the fight to him and you never give up come pain, come blood, no matter what, ever, until that bell rings or you beat the prick unconscious. THAT is the edge that this sport gives you. Not punching. Punching is the means to the end. Toughness is the end.

[Suckmedry]

Fraidy is right. Most guys in the street, even experienced street fighters, are gone once they have been rocked or hurt. A boxer has what it takes to continue fighting.

[Suckmedry]

I'll tell a story about how boxing conditons you to survive when you have been hurt. In sparring once, I was sparring this guy who is about 32 years old (I'm 16) and about 165lbs (I was like 130 at this time) or so. Now he isn't a big guy, but he is very strong and hits very hard. He was in the army and is a firefighter, so he is a tough dude with lots of strength. He has a few fights too and gone alright.

Anyway we were sparring, and I handled this guy relatively easy. He has a leaky defence and makes too many mistakes, I just picked him apart. He kept attacking hard at me, but I was just able to elude him or cover up and continue controlling him. But then, with like 40 seconds left in the round, he landed a massive overhand right flush on my temple. I never saw it coming and it shook me to the core. My legs somehow didn't give way, but my head was a complete mess. It was like I was floating, my legs were numb, my vision was like, ******ed. I was hurt.

Immedately he came onto the front foot and tried to annhilate me (this guy is pretty competitive) and by pure instinct, I was able to get my legs moving, my hands up, and pick him off with jabs as he stormed at me. Then I rolled under his hook and moved out again. I had no idea where I was, I was gone and I was able to instinctively continue fighting.

That is why boxing is so useful in a street situation. Your average 16 year old who weighs 130 lbs (or probably any weight) is going to be layed the **** out if some strong ass 30 year old ****s him with something he didn't see coming. But I was able to protect myself and survive despite being scattered as hell.

[fraidycat]

That toughness carries over into the rest of your life, too. I just went through Army Basic Training at 39 years old (I'm now 40), and excelled. Nothing I went through in BCT was worse than the end of any given third round.

[killsomething]

+ eleventy billion.

I dropped a guy like this not three months ago. Flurried to the head and threw a left shovelhook to his liver. Even with a glove on it put him on his knees. He told me later he had no idea that a bodyshot could hurt like that. And that's the crux of it: people who don't box (or kickbox) competitively have no way to comprehend what a liver shot feels like. They can't.

Ahhhh the liver shot... First thing I ever dropped a guy with. We were sparring, I threw a jab-slip left-liver shot. He knew I love that punch, and his instinct was to throw his right hand over my jab, but he saw what I was doing just before I threw it and was like "****!" then THUMP, down he goes. Couldn't keep sparring either, and actually went to the locker room and threw up lol.

That **** hurts, even for a boxer. I can't imagine getting hit with one not knowing what they feel like...you could seriously think you're dying, it's just so different from anything you've experienced.

most guys, no matter how tough they are, do not want to fight a trained boxer. A couple of snappy jabs from behind a solid guard and you may find his buddies "holding him back so he doesn't hurt you."

Hahaha been there. In '09 I was out walking on Halloween, ran into a drunk guy trying to fight someone, me and some other guys prevented it and left.

Then I ran into the same guy and 8 of his friends (who I think were sober) on the street in front of a Taco Bell (this is such a white trash story lol), and the dude started to go after me, getting in my face, acting like he wanted to hit me. I was like go ahead and do it or stop being a *****...and he did. Right hand suckerpunch, right on my jaw below the ear.

I rolled my body with the punch, he thought he had knocked me out so he started to walk away. I went after him. He turned around, saw me, and surprised the hell out of me by going for a double-leg. (I was about to try out for my school's boxing team, and they were pretty strict about 'not using this to fight downtown' so I decided I wasn't gonna hit him.

I sprawled, put him in a guillotine, then pulled him down, trying to get him into my guard. Only managed half guard, so I tried to hold him there until someone could break it up (the choke was more of a neck crank by this time). Someone kicked me in the back of the head (didn't notice at the time, found the cut later on). Two of them got ahold of him being like "what the **** dude, let him go!!!" and I'm like "I'll let him go when you guys have him, he doesn't know what the hell's going on." So I let him go...and so did they. So he's sitting on top of me. He winds up to throw punches, I trap his arm, he headbutts me square in the nose, probably broke it, opened up a cut on the bridge, and blood was everywhere. Tried to do it again but I took that one on the forehead. I jabbed him in the nose (no effect, too weak) then slid out, pulled him up, and then he started swinging. By now we were in the middle of the road (the main street lol, pretty busy). I ducked and went in low intending to uppercut him in the junk, but they got ahold of me and threw me back.

I was pretty pissed off by this point, and there's 6 of them blocking me from getting to him. I REALLY wanted to kick the guy's ass now, but...8 dudes. They were like "DUDE, it's over, look at your face. We're doing this to protect YOU now get outa here!" Suuuuuure.

Anyhow, a rentacop showed up so I left.

You want to bring something to the fight, you need to get in a gym, get on a team, and get some matches under your belt. This will condition you to keep fighting through more psychological and physical trauma than you have ever imagined you could take, to keep your guard up and your chin down and your head cool, even when you're spitting blood and seeing fireworks. You keep taking the fight to him and you never give up come pain, come blood, no matter what, ever, until that bell rings or you beat the prick unconscious. THAT is the edge that this sport gives you. Not punching. Punching is the means to the end. Toughness is the end.

This bears repeating over and over.

[J.Dempsey]

like the guys say its a psychological thinig that gives boxers the edge..

before I stepped in the ring, I was almost physically sick if someone started a fight with me...once I realised that the physical fighting wasn't actual the problem, more in my mind I learned (through sparring) to keep calm and emotions down...once u can fight without emotion, you'll beat 90% of any streetfighter swinging angry...ofcourse these days you're more likely to get stabbed or shot or done for GBH, so best to avoid it unless you have to.

[cameronpaul]

best punch to land is the jonney cage special - splits to the uppercut to the balls...it worked on goro

[josh-hill]

so whats the quickest way to put someone out of action without causing major damage? liver shot founds good. people say aim for the throat but couldnt you easily collapse someones wind pipe? noone wants to go to jail for man slaughter. or even GBH. how do you incapacitate someone without causing enough damage to risk trouble with the law?

[Suckmedry]

so whats the quickest way to put someone out of action without causing major damage? liver shot founds good. people say aim for the throat but couldnt you easily collapse someones wind pipe? noone wants to go to jail for man slaughter. or even GBH. how do you incapacitate someone without causing enough damage to risk trouble with the law?

The solar plexus is pretty good, especially if the other dude is really tall. The nose will stun him and leave him open to get finished off with a few more shots. If you catch him flush on the temple with a solid shot it will mess him up as well. Or the point of the chin.

[killsomething]

so whats the quickest way to put someone out of action without causing major damage? liver shot founds good. people say aim for the throat but couldnt you easily collapse someones wind pipe? noone wants to go to jail for man slaughter. or even GBH. how do you incapacitate someone without causing enough damage to risk trouble with the law?

Choke em.