animosity at a new gym

[Junito-Rulez]

who thinks Chris Areolla is an elite athlete? I sure don't.

I don't think that fat *** Lesnar is one either.

[them_apples]

that workout makes me laugh.

"heres my own gym" he's training for a fight and all I see is weight machines.

his stamina conditioning took a total of 5 minutes

[BG_Knocc_Out]

Lesnar was roiding in the WWE (he definitely was, don't even argue with me on this one, look at the way he acts). He's not naturally that big, he get's softer each fight now that he can't take those roids.

Lesnar is seriously just a big soft guy now with skinny ass legs. He was in better shape in the WWE.

@ groundSt pound calling me an idiot on this topic makes me fear for your own intelligence.

especially after some of the bullocks you have accused me of as you spew your own bull****.

When I say naturally big, I'm talking about his body frame. There's a difference between someones body frame and muscle mass.

[sweetpea87]

ive been active/competetive in kickboxing grappling mixed martial arts, the whole 9 for the last 3 years or so. im starting to think i need a break from the mma scene as i have a lot of clashes with the people and the ideology with the sport. i love boxing and have a sort of foundation cause of all the mma stuff. but any way i plan to join a boxing gym once an injury of mine heals, but anyway do you guys think ill experience some imediate animosity due to my background? i know how alot of boxers feel about mma and im a little worried im going to experience a level of resentment from the new team mates. i guess im not toooo worried cause i cant shake my humility due to the hundreds and thousands of ass whoopin's ive taken so whats a few million more right?
i realize this could sound totally ******ed. but do you guys think people wont like me because im a grappler/kickboxer?

I used to train at a gym and there was one guy who trained there that fought in both and he got along great with all of us. I think it just depends on the gym you go to and all that. This gym is really small and everybody knows everybody if you are a regular.

[TheNegation]

Lesnar was roiding in the WWE (he definitely was, don't even argue with me on this one, look at the way he acts). He's not naturally that big, he get's softer each fight now that he can't take those roids.

Oh so you are now an expert on steroids? Go look up his pictures from high school, he's always been big. He grew up on a farm doing manual labor for most of his life.

You can't even make intelligent posts when it comes to suggesting workouts and now all of a sudden you're a steroid guru? LOL

Lesnar is seriously just a big soft guy now with skinny ass legs. He was in better shape in the WWE.

Looking soft has no bearing on athleticism. Cosmetic appearance has nothing to do with Athleticism

And his conditioning/stamina workout was not 5 minutes. The show that featured his workout was 30 minutes long. The workout is 25 minutes and was edited for time to fit on the show.

Stop being a ******.

@ groundSt pound calling me an idiot on this topic makes me fear for your own intelligence.

I'm not the one downplaying every type of weight training routine and associating it with MMA even when it's not part of the subject at hand.

You ARE an idiot, either that or you are seriously misinformed, in that case you are still an idiot because you are spreading this **** around like it's fact.

especially after some of the bullocks you have accused me of as you spew your own bull****.

What kind of bull**** am I spewing? I haven't said one thing that is far off from the truth when it comes to weight training. You are the one generalizing, ****ting on MMA (even when the discussion doesn't have anything to do with MMA) and providing false information.

[them_apples]

Oh so you are now an expert on steroids? Go look up his pictures from high school, he's always been big. He grew up on a farm doing manual labor for most of his life.

You can't even make intelligent posts when it comes to suggesting workouts and now all of a sudden you're a steroid guru? LOL



Looking soft has no bearing on athleticism.



I'm not the one downplaying every type of weight training routine and associating it with MMA even when it's not part of the subject at hand.

You ARE an idiot, either that or you are seriously misinformed, in that case you are still an idiot because you are spreading this **** around like it's fact.




What kind of bull**** am I spewing? I haven't said one thing that is far off from the truth when it comes to weight training. You are the one generalizing, ****ting on MMA (even when the discussion doesn't have anything to do with MMA) and providing false information.

you should train body builders.

I think some weights are good, but not these "extensive weight training routines) that MMA fighters do.

I'm only going by personal experience here. I'm not so oldschool that I hate weights, just not the garbage that you seem to think works.

When I train for a boxing match, I do extensive medacine ball work, "cindy" with a weighted vest, long runs at various paces (sprinting the last Km) and of course the usual boxing workouts.

that stuff trains you for a fight. Not doing 5 minutes on little machines and calling it a day.

I used to lift weights all the time, it's simply has no purpose in a fighting scenario (aside from perhaps squats (overhead squats, front squats, back squats).

I also think if someone was trying to move up in a weight class because of lack of competition, weights might be required.

Looking at all these MMA fighters, even a supremely chiseled guy like GSP, they all are so tired they can't even hold their hands up in the later rounds. that's just ludicrous. It's like a rock climber who can't do a pull up. So out of place.

that's my take.

[TheNegation]

you should train body builders.

Why?

I think some weights are good, but not these "extensive weight training routines) that MMA fighters do.

What extensive weight training routines?

I'm only going by personal experience here.

Going solely by personal experience is, in a sense, generalizing and that's why you get so much **** from me and other people.

I'm not so oldschool that I hate weights, just not the garbage that you seem to think works.

What am I suggesting that's garbage? Olympic Lifting? Heavy Lifting? Plyo's? Calisthenics? All in balance?

LOL

When I train for a boxing match, I do extensive medacine ball work, "cindy" with a weighted vest, long runs at various paces (sprinting the last Km) and of course the usual boxing workouts.

So you perform Crossfit routines? They also do a lot of power lifts and Olympics lifts

that stuff trains you for a fight. Not doing 5 minutes on little machines and calling it a day.

I'm not sure if you watched both videos.

But Brock does his caveman training routines 2-3 times a week. 5x5 minute rounds with 30 seconds to no rest in between. It's randomized just like crossfit.

Then he does his isometric/hypertrophy type workouts at his home gym.

I used to lift weights all the time, it's simply has no purpose in a fighting scenario (aside from perhaps squats (overhead squats, front squats, back squats).

Well that's your opinion and again you are generalizing. Not everyone responds to training the same way. What works for one guy won't do **** for the next.

I also think if someone was trying to move up in a weight class because of lack of competition, weights might be required.

True, but moving up in weight has more to do with diet than it does weight training.

Looking at all these MMA fighters, even a supremely chiseled guy like GSP, they all are so tired they can't even hold their hands up in the later rounds. that's just ludicrous. It's like a rock climber who can't do a pull up. So out of place.

I've never seen GSP gas in a fight. So I'm not sure where you got that.

Some guys have no idea how to go about S&C.

[TheNegation]

Also MMA conditoning, IMO, is a lot more complex than boxing conditioning.

A boxer could easily get away with getting his conditioning and stamina from sparring and doing his regular boxing training, or doing simple things like Dips, Pull-Ups, Push-Ups, Sit-Ups and roadwork.

Competing in MMA demands full body work and function. Constantly pushing and pulling, punching, kicking, wrestling, grappling etc. Therefore, it requires a much more extensive full body workout regimen.

[them_apples]

Why?



What extensive weight training routines?



Going solely by personal experience is, in a sense, generalizing and that's why you get so much **** from me and other people.




What am I suggesting that's garbage? Olympic Lifting? Heavy Lifting? Plyo's? Calisthenics? All in balance?

LOL





So you perform Crossfit routines? They also do a lot of power lifts and Olympics lifts



I'm not sure if you watched both videos.

But Brock does his caveman training routines 2-3 times a week. 5x5 minute rounds with 30 seconds to no rest in between. It's randomized just like crossfit.

Then he does his isometric/hypertrophy type workouts at his home gym.





Well that's your opinion and again you are generalizing. Not everyone responds to training the same way. What works for one guy won't do **** for the next.




True, but moving up in weight has more to do with diet than it does weight training.



I've never seen GSP gas in a fight. So I'm not sure where you got that.

Some guys have no idea how to go about S&C.

I work at a cross-fit.

I don't think everything is liable to fighting though. Though most of it is pretty functional.

I think it was Rich Franklin I saw, his workout was 15 minutes of jogging on a treadmill, the rest was weights. They tried to hype it up with heavy metal music but man it almost made me puke.

That's what I mean by extensive weight routines. I also hate when people say "forget about long runs just do short sprints". More like, "I hate running so i'll just sprint" Reality? you need both. Hard work.

If you are a professional boxer/fighter, you need to put in at least 10km each morning + sprints. Thats the ground work of your training. Running in general increases your stamina. If you are a runner though and you start boxing/fighting, your gonna need to let your body adapt to the quicker pace.

Proffessional means it's your job. you got all the time in the the world to do this.

not a little quick 15 min treadmill warmup.

nobody in the UFC can work like Manny Pacquiao or Floyd Mayweather. nobody, GSP doesn't even come close. The stamina those guys posses is outstanding.

You can say the same about guys like Leonard and Hagler in their primes.

[them_apples]

Also MMA conditoning, IMO, is a lot more complex than boxing conditioning.

A boxer could easily get away with getting his conditioning and stamina from sparring and doing his regular boxing training, or doing simple things like Dips, Pull-Ups, Push-Ups, Sit-Ups and roadwork.

Competing in MMA demands full body work and function. Constantly pushing and pulling, punching, kicking, wrestling, grappling etc. Therefore, it requires a much more extensive full body workout regimen.

yea it's more than just striking. striking requires explosivity. I realize this, but there no need for them to abandon the stamina/speed part and opt for strength only.