Training 80's style. Hope this may benefit some of you

[billeau2]

So put it together. Barefisted................Rockin'

In this corner....Rockin!!! In the other corner... Hey is that Sponge Bob's trinket shop?

[Rockin']

In this corner....Rockin!!! In the other corner... Hey is that Sponge Bob's trinket shop?

Lol... Siablos 'store front'...................Rockin'

[OctoberRed]

So put it together. Barefisted................Rockin'

Bareknuckle style for Rockin?

[them_apples]

Should also be noted that modern football is plagued by PED abuse, itā€™s almost normalized. The increase in muscle mass / shreddedness is due to the steroid abuse most of these guys were doing. Training likely did improve and advance, but I would think a lot of physical gains were from PEDs.

[billeau2]

Should also be noted that modern football is plagued by PED abuse, itās almost normalized. The increase in muscle mass / shreddedness is due to the steroid abuse most of these guys were doing. Training likely did improve and advance, but I would think a lot of physical gains were from PEDs.

True but follow this logic: When did football become so important that players started juicing on the regular? the money came in first, then when football became such a money maker for universities, the players did what players do when winning becomes more important... they looked for any edge. baseball, similar, but baseball had two drug phases: first it was all matter of stimulent, tobaco, *******, etc then peds, then more peds.

There is probably a correlation with the peds and the advancements in Nautilus at the University of Florida...

[them_apples]

True but follow this logic: When did football become so important that players started juicing on the regular? the money came in first, then when football became such a money maker for universities, the players did what players do when winning becomes more important... they looked for any edge. baseball, similar, but baseball had two drug phases: first it was all matter of stimulent, tobaco, *******, etc then peds, then more peds.

There is probably a correlation with the peds and the advancements in Nautilus at the University of Florida...

Yeah thats def how it goes. My point was really the guys being heavier and carrying more muscle is largely a direct result of PEDs. Weight lifting was still quite advanced even as far back as the 60s and 70s, and nothing replaces hard work (they worked hard). Iā€™m no expert on football training, I am sure its improved due to the sports popularity of course.

[billeau2]

Yeah thats def how it goes. My point was really the guys being heavier and carrying more muscle is largely a direct result of PEDs. Weight lifting was still quite advanced even as far back as the 60s and 70s, and nothing replaces hard work (they worked hard). Iām no expert on football training, I am sure its improved due to the sports popularity of course.

Heres the thing: and it sort of came and got lost in the shuffle. Florida became a laboratory for physical improvement. Gatorade was one but the other was nautilus training and technique. The real value was twofold: yes, we knew how to make people bigger and stronger, we even knew about peds, masking... Eastern German science was in the mix as well as very advanced nutrition which kind of blurres the line because at a certain point, nutrients could make the body produce steriods as much/as well as many premanufactured substances. In the Bay Area micronutrition was used... A lot of the so called Roid cases in baseball had to do with using very sophisticated nutritional elements... One has to remember that Vitamins are essentially catalysts... and so are many other elements that can cause the body to produce certain elements.

Anyway, with this in mind the big problem, coaches were having was practice time... specifically using it properly. Guys were getting big, but gym hour was social hour. It was a waste of time. When truly well designed circuit machines developed, principally through the negative motion, when we bring the weight back from the lift up (positive), it made it possible, through proper form, to virtually exhaust the major muscle groups in a very short time. this allowed the trainings to develop more elaborate plays, train players more in their tasks. The game became cerebral, plays involved many options that could be practiced. You said you don't know much about football so here is an example: The great teams and coaches were psychological motivators, but the plays were simple... give the ball to the running back, pass to the tight end... Sometimes there was an option: "Ok I want the wide reciever to go on a pattern, and the running back to stay back for a short pass."

By the time players were getting fit faster, practicing their position more, the San Francisco Forty Niners, who were coached by Bill Walsh, a former Stanford coach (no coincidence he coached college!) EVERY offensive player, on every play is running a pattern! it was called the West Coast offense and it made the Niners virtually unbeatable. this started the Golden Age of football IMO. But this could only happen when you had players that could physically do the work, especially quarterbacks, a position that changed dramatically.

So the breakthrough was courtesy of the proportion, the relationship between Intensity and Time. By shortening the time, and the amount of reps, you habitually teach an athlete proper training habits. Weight lifting becomes something some guys do, but every player learns to generate the intensity to physically exhaust muscle groups which causes maximum growth. The formula is counter intuitive. Most would assume to get bigger and stronger you need more time to lift and to do more repetitions. Also because of the range of motion the muscles get longer also creating more strength.

NOW... Take someone taking a growth product... A football player, a boxer, it does not matter their sport. In the past, using mediocre training habits the athlete will get some results. You take that same athlete, you force him to maximum effort, forcing the muscles to grow through maximum stimulation. The combination makes for a real change in the athlete. There are training procedures that have been known for some time but are hard to approach. How does one teach an athlete to REALLY try hard? there are psychological aspects to this, but physicaly you give him the same amount of work, but limit the time he has to do the work, and you limit the repititions the athlete has to do the work. Now you are forcing the body to change under new demands. But you cannot just ask for an athlete to do this... free weights need momentum to work. nautilus did not need any momentum, one could literally encounter the weight throughout the entire range of motion, with no cheating.

This was the crux of it. Another one is creating microfractors in the bones causing them to grow back harder and harder. this is real secret shiat lol... muscles are great, but the bone structure is the real important aspect of strength. You can have all the muscles in the world, without a bone structure that will support them, you will literally break apart at certain points. This is how you cause bone growth. In martial arts we create microfractures by hitting things that are relatively solid.

True story: I had an Xray on my shin some years back and was told the xray could not be read because my shin bone was too dense!

[OctoberRed]

Yeah thats def how it goes. My point was really the guys being heavier and carrying more muscle is largely a direct result of PEDs. Weight lifting was still quite advanced even as far back as the 60s and 70s, and nothing replaces hard work (they worked hard). Iām no expert on football training, I am sure its improved due to the sports popularity of course.

I always wonder what goes on at that SNAC facility that Conte runs.

[billeau2]

I always wonder what goes on at that SNAC facility that Conte runs.

Yes, Victor Conte... Have a friend who knew him well. Micronutrition... Very sophisticated machinery!

[OctoberRed]

Yes, Victor Conte... Have a friend who knew him well. Micronutrition... Very sophisticated machinery!

Now we know where Rockin trains