bodybuilding vs. strength training

[Pecs]

haha everyone is WRONG! Low weights high rep---builds strength and endurance....4 sets of 20 reps...anymore reps then 20 are useless....you get cold muscle....for bodybuilding its high weights low reps....3 sets of about 8-10...thatll make you bulky and strong....i go low weights high rep.....PM me and i can send you my boxing workout routine...it works like crazy. best of luck!

i am not so sure that you know about bodybuilding...... strength and endurance are polar opposites...

Anyway, high weights low reps (3-6) is more for strength. Lower weights and higher reps like 8-12 is bodybuilding. And make sure that you are very close or had reach failure at the desired rep, if not, up the weight. But no matter what rep range you do (not more than 20), you can still build muscle to an extent.

But then again, diet is 50% of the equation in pure bodybuilding. So you don't have to worry too much about getting your mucules too big if you are maintaining fight weight and not eating for mass.

[Trrmo]

Anyway, high weights low reps (3-6) is more for strength. Lower weights and higher reps like 8-12 is bodybuilding. And make sure that you are very close or had reach failure at the desired rep, if not, up the weight. But no matter what rep range you do (not more than 20), you can still build muscle to an extent.

But then again, diet is 50% of the equation in pure bodybuilding. So you don't have to worry too much about getting your mucules too big if you are maintaining fight weight and not eating for mass.

I kind of agree with that.

It doesnt matter if you are doing heavy weights with low reps 3-6 or less heavy weight with say 8-15 reps with both of these techniques you still will still build muscle IF you are eating in calorie excess (with a good protein/carb/ fat balance) with enough rest.

The ideal for bodybuilding is supposedly around 6-12 but the 5x5 or 3x5 rep programs also can be great for building muscle especially for beginners but once again with calorie excess and sufficient rest (eating more food than you burn).

It should be said that some muscle groups also respond more to higher reps, sometimes ectomorphs (thin limbed people) respond better to low reps than the other morphs.

But to the original poster, strength training is generally heavy weights low reps 3-6. There is almost no way your will bodybuild if you are not eating enough and resting enough. But you will still get strong. Just look at those flyweight olympic weightlifters, they are incredibly strong but do not have huge amounts of muscle mass.

Also you might want to look at specific explosive strength exercises if you want it to be specific to boxing or another sport.

[BOXING'SSAVIOR]

this thread is pointless
everyone has a different view on weight training, so this isnt going anywhere
u need to learn from trail, what works for you best
...if ur scared of becoming a bodybuilder, hahaha, u r trippn. if only it was that easy. u will learn what works best for your body and goals long b4 u build a body comparable to a body builder's, reguardless of ur diet

[mathed]

when you're lifting weights, what's the difference? I want to get serious about weightlifting but I'm concerned I'll end up bodybuilding by accident.

Body building is a science that usually requires a bulk-up phase and a slim down phase. Strength training is more or an endurance/power lifting program that does not really define you but works the fast twitch type 2b muscles which are for explosive power movements.

Slow twitch focus workouts are for long-term cardio exercises.

http://sportsmedicine.about.com/od/a...eFiberType.htm

[mathed]

I kind of agree with that.

It doesnt matter if you are doing heavy weights with low reps 3-6 or less heavy weight with say 8-15 reps with both of these techniques you still will still build muscle IF you are eating in calorie excess (with a good protein/carb/ fat balance) with enough rest.

The ideal for bodybuilding is supposedly around 6-12 but the 5x5 or 3x5 rep programs also can be great for building muscle especially for beginners but once again with calorie excess and sufficient rest (eating more food than you burn).

It should be said that some muscle groups also respond more to higher reps, sometimes ectomorphs (thin limbed people) respond better to low reps than the other morphs.

But to the original poster, strength training is generally heavy weights low reps 3-6. There is almost no way your will bodybuild if you are not eating enough and resting enough. But you will still get strong. Just look at those flyweight olympic weightlifters, they are incredibly strong but do not have huge amounts of muscle mass.

Also you might want to look at specific explosive strength exercises if you want it to be specific to boxing or another sport.

Yeah, if you want to build muscle and be a "beast" eat your ass off 6 to 8 times per day and low reps with 70-90% of your max in each exercise otherwise do 8-15 reps with a pyramid scheme: 15 reps at 70% and 10 reps at 80% of your max and 5 reps at 90% of your max

[them_apples]

haha everyone is WRONG! Low weights high rep---builds strength and endurance....4 sets of 20 reps...anymore reps then 20 are useless....you get cold muscle....for bodybuilding its high weights low reps....3 sets of about 8-10...thatll make you bulky and strong....i go low weights high rep.....PM me and i can send you my boxing workout routine...it works like crazy. best of luck!

lol wtf are you people talking about

10-12 reps is for body builders, it swells the muscle and builds it at a good medium.

high reps won't do anything at all for you accept perhaps give women some tone or make you healthier.

Any person who knows the business can see that powerlifting and shooting heavy weights up as fast as you can is the best way possible to build explosive strength.

Don't go telling everyone whos wrong when you aren't right yourself. Evander Holyfield never did high reps, either does many pacquiao. No boxer does I've seen, other than Kelly Pavlik, and he's pretty slow for this day and age.

Are powerlifters big? no, they are very lean and ripped.

[Boricua20]

lol wtf are you people talking about

10-12 reps is for body builders, it swells the muscle and builds it at a good medium.

high reps won't do anything at all for you accept perhaps give women some tone or make you healthier.

Any person who knows the business can see that powerlifting and shooting heavy weights up as fast as you can is the best way possible to build explosive strength.

Don't go telling everyone whos wrong when you aren't right yourself. Evander Holyfield never did high reps, either does many pacquiao. No boxer does I've seen, other than Kelly Pavlik, and he's pretty slow for this day and age.

Are powerlifters big? no, they are very lean and ripped.

This is what i needed to know, thank you.

I also want to define my muscles, especially my back, will doing high reps and low weight do that? and can i still maintain my explosive speed if i do both the light weights for definition and the heavy weights for explosive strength?

[Pecs]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGcH2lAJJRQ

hey, since we are into muscles in this thread, thought you guys can look at this clip on Jay cutler, 2 time time mr olmpia.

[tommy boo boxer]

i'm not that clued up either, but if your training for strength, its low reps e.g 3-6 with a heavy weight, where as bodybuilding is 8-12 reps with a lighter weight, it tears the muscle more so it grows back bigger. Also theres power and plyometrics, plyos are little or no weight with extremely explosive movements and power can be trained with fast movements like olympic lifts.

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[tommy boo boxer]

and remember .... tempo...

to build muscle base for example
4-6 reps 3sets
70% of your maximum at 5-1-5 tempo

then after a few weeks for more explosive and endurance
8-15 reps 3-5sets
gradually 40% - 50%etc at 3-0-1 tempo