Martial Arts & boxing

[TheBlackSwifty]

I aint gonna totally bag MA but need to say a few things, MA always used to be mostly bull**** based on moivew where little dudes like Bruce Lee could knockout 20 or more attackers, that some little wiry dude with enough training can tirelessly flip guys over with their little finger. And all the mistique surrounding martial arts, secret death touches and all that crap. It wasnt until MMa that alot of the bull**** was exposed, how in the real world fights end up on the ground, fancy high ass taekwondo kicks dnt seem to work in a pub.

Dont get me wrong Boxers also crap on a bit how they can smash these M´artists in streetfights when its not always true. But now MMA has sorted the wheat from the chaff, that ya dont need to do all this bull**** meditation mystical crap, lots have thrown away the pijamas and just concentrate on effective fighting and thats it. And **** theres some good fighters out there now.

But the proof of how martials artists traditionally exaggerated their greatness is that how come these 20 dan, red star ****en ninja masters or whatever arent getting in the boxing ring and winning world titles with their deadly punches and ability to block or avoid everthing that comes their way? Why in early cage fighting you saw people like Dan Severn who had a background in greco-roman wrestling kick ass (and still is)? Aint nothing mystical about fighting. Its not just an ancient asian tradition, there are many European medieval fighting texts, showing how to wrestlem fight with swords, daggers etc. Effective **** used in real life and death battle. like here
http://www.thearma.org/RecommendedList.htm
And the mystical eastern philosophy **** pisses me off as well coz most of the Martists I know in reality are biigheaded and arrogant behind the veil of being some humble calm person.

[eman-resu]

They can't box because their punches would kill a man in 1 hit if his toes aren't crossed.

Most of it is total bull****. I'm far from a tough guy but I've been in a few bar fights, and all I really do is get them on the ground put my knee in their gut and pound on their head, boxing training doesn't really apply other than not gassing lol

[j]

first, learn how to spell MYSTIQUE correctly!

then move on to more advanced words and slowly build your vocabulary from 5th grade level to 6th.

[them_apples]

I aint gonna totally bag MA but need to say a few things, MA always used to be mostly bull**** based on moivew where little dudes like Bruce Lee could knockout 20 or more attackers, that some little wiry dude with enough training can tirelessly flip guys over with their little finger. And all the mistique surrounding martial arts, secret death touches and all that crap. It wasnt until MMa that alot of the bull**** was exposed, how in the real world fights end up on the ground, fancy high ass taekwondo kicks dnt seem to work in a pub.

Dont get me wrong Boxers also crap on a bit how they can smash these M´artists in streetfights when its not always true. But now MMA has sorted the wheat from the chaff, that ya dont need to do all this bull**** meditation mystical crap, lots have thrown away the pijamas and just concentrate on effective fighting and thats it. And **** theres some good fighters out there now.

But the proof of how martials artists traditionally exaggerated their greatness is that how come these 20 dan, red star ****en ninja masters or whatever arent getting in the boxing ring and winning world titles with their deadly punches and ability to block or avoid everthing that comes their way? Why in early cage fighting you saw people like Dan Severn who had a background in greco-roman wrestling kick ass (and still is)? Aint nothing mystical about fighting. Its not just an ancient asian tradition, there are many European medieval fighting texts, showing how to wrestlem fight with swords, daggers etc. Effective **** used in real life and death battle. like here
http://www.thearma.org/RecommendedList.htm
And the mystical eastern philosophy **** pisses me off as well coz most of the Martists I know in reality are biigheaded and arrogant behind the veil of being some humble calm person.

Some MMA artists could beat some boxers, but a lot of them prefer stand up - and a lot of boxers have street fighting backgrounds.

I can't see a Floyd Mayweather losing to a Shaun Sherk for example. He's to quick, and boxer with MMA gloves = death.

I'm sure certain MMA artists would beat up on certain boxers to. I jsut don't agree that every MMA artist would automatically take a boxer to the ground and beat him, especially when a lot of them get knocked out in stand up from sub-par stand up fighters.

[sugarshanenas]

the thing is they aint gonna have time to get them on the ground(sometimes) most boxers punch alot harder then your average joe and say a boxer like kermit cintron he ain't gonna try and box you he's gonna be throwing a ****load of wild flurries and once one of them hits you your prolly gonna be out cold

[j]

Some MMA artists could beat some boxers, but a lot of them prefer stand up - and a lot of boxers have street fighting backgrounds.

I can't see a Floyd Mayweather losing to a Shaun Sherk for example. He's to quick, and boxer with MMA gloves = death.

I'm sure certain MMA artists would beat up on certain boxers to. I jsut don't agree that every MMA artist would automatically take a boxer to the ground and beat him, especially when a lot of them get knocked out in stand up from sub-par stand up fighters.
Today 04:04 AM

man, the water here is muddy. boxers only look better at boxing because that s all the have to worry about is punches to torso and head. they do not have to worry about elbows(much), or kicks or knees or chokes. now, i am not a huge fan of mma, more of a boxing fan and that is why i am on this forum since 2003.

no, of course not every mma guy will be able to take down a guy who specializes in stand up. i hate those bjj ****s who think like that actually - no disrespect to true artists, just the **** talking ****ers. but in mma sport there are more possibilities. and people who train those possibilities more will be more comfortable.

me, i come from a traditional backround. more closer to the **** u see bas rutten do in pancrase, or cung le do in sanshou or elite xc. except more efficient and not a big emphasis on kicking someone in the head - although i personally know that can end a fight. it is too high risk if u face a good fighter.

now, i wonder what a pure boxer would do if he knocked a bjj guy down on the ground? would he take the chance to get down and try a GnP? or would he just stand there and wait for bjj guy to get up?

[j]

the thing is they aint gonna have time to get them on the ground(sometimes) most boxers punch alot harder then your average joe and say a boxer like kermit cintron he ain't gonna try and box you he's gonna be throwing a ****load of wild flurries and once one of them hits you your prolly gonna be out cold

of ****ing course many boxers punch harder than many average joes. that doesn't really mean ****. anyne whi trains punching well will hit harder than they could before they trained. i actually have to be ****ing carefull just patting someone on the back. heavy hands it is called in boxing.

are u a boxing loyalist who thinks just by the virtues if boxing it gives a person an automatic advantage?

[them_apples]

man, the water here is muddy. boxers only look better at boxing because that s all the have to worry about is punches to torso and head. they do not have to worry about elbows(much), or kicks or knees or chokes. now, i am not a huge fan of mma, more of a boxing fan and that is why i am on this forum since 2003.

no, of course not every mma guy will be able to take down a guy who specializes in stand up. i hate those bjj ****s who think like that actually - no disrespect to true artists, just the **** talking ****ers. but in mma sport there are more possibilities. and people who train those possibilities more will be more comfortable.

me, i come from a traditional backround. more closer to the **** u see bas rutten do in pancrase, or cung le do in sanshou or elite xc. except more efficient and not a big emphasis on kicking someone in the head - although i personally know that can end a fight. it is too high risk if u face a good fighter.

now, i wonder what a pure boxer would do if he knocked a bjj guy down on the ground? would he take the chance to get down and try a GnP? or would he just stand there and wait for bjj guy to get up?

If a boxer like Cintron hit you full blast with 3 oz gloves, he wouldn't need a ground and pound. A boxers stand up is so much better than an MMa artist it's even more technical on paper. A boxer masters the art of timing and form, although limited they are the best punchers in the world, it is one of the most proven sports.

Many boxers have knocked their opponents completely unconscious with one punch, using 10 oz gloves.

I saw a video of a 50+ year old Leonard on some radio show, he's not even a hard puncher and he knocked this generic tough guy on his ass in 9 seconds.

The same tough guy fights "Ricco" some old UFC heavyweight and it looks like some sloppy street fight, the heavyweight couldn't punch worth a **** ass.

The punching difference is so immense that it's a toss up. I think a slow puncher like Foreman would suffer the worst though because they come across as clumsy and easy to take down.

[Danny Gunz]

In my experience which is limited but whatever most martial artists or mixe martial artists have glass chins.

[j]

If a boxer like Cintron hit you full blast with 3 oz gloves, he wouldn't need a ground and pound. A boxers stand up is so much better than an MMa artist it's even more technical on paper. A boxer masters the art of timing and form, although limited they are the best punchers in the world, it is one of the most proven sports.

Many boxers have knocked their opponents completely unconscious with one punch, using 10 oz gloves.

I saw a video of a 50+ year old Leonard on some radio show, he's not even a hard puncher and he knocked this generic tough guy on his ass in 9 seconds.

The same tough guy fights "Ricco" some old UFC heavyweight and it looks like some sloppy street fight, the heavyweight couldn't punch worth a **** ass.

The punching difference is so immense that it's a toss up. I think a slow puncher like Foreman would suffer the worst though because they come across as clumsy and easy to take down.

sorry, i am no exactly sure wat u r talking about or what point u r trying to make. anyone trained in punching well can **** u up in 3 or 4 ounce gloves.

i am confident in my power output. my training is based in becoming as powerful as possible. so of course i can ****. but a good fighter will know u are going to punch and set trap for it. and u may not be able to hit a trained person very well. mma is nothing like boxing. because the gloves are so much thinner, it makes the punching different. bareknuckle boxing techniques wee much different because it was bareknuckle.

if kermit cintron hit a person with 3 ouncers like he does with boxing gloves, he may be out for a year with a broken hand. so not a good trade off. he may knock out opponent but look at the cost to him. he may never be able to punch the ame way with even half his old power.