Martial Arts & boxing

[BennyST]

These threads are hilarious. J mate, don't even bother. You will never get anywhere with any of them. No doubt the guys who are saying "So how many am titles do you have?" or "Are you a pro contender?", blah, blah, blah have never stepped foot inside any gym, let alone a boxing, martial art, or MMA gym. Why the **** would he have am titles or be a pro contender if he trains in martial arts....is the obvious question that should pop into your head.

Anyone who thinks any boxer will kill any martial artist or any MMA guy should ask themselves this one question, do you think you could get close to a boxers knees? Think about it. Don't forget that boxers train to fight someone standing straight up in front of them, not flying in towards their knees with their head down and below the waist of the boxer. It can be pretty hard to punch someone when they are in that position or when you are off balance falling backwards, or trying to keep yourself from falling backwards. Also rather difficult to get any power at all while that's happening if you think that you could knock out someone while they are shooting. Quite difficult to really hurt or KO someone with a glancing punch to the back of the head.

Anyway, these threads are just foolish. You'll very rarely get someone who doesn't have a bias for boxing here or that knows anything about MA and has actually trained properly in MA and not in some "Get your black-belt in two years Karate Dojo!", so you really can't speak on something you know nothing about. Rather like how you would feel if some history academic came up to you and started telling you they know everything about boxing and it's pro's and con's or ineffectiveness based on silly myths and stereotypes without ever having actually tried boxing or stepped inside a gym and that you know nothing about it.

[BennyST]

name me some of todays top guys

Tell us who these people are that are great martial artists that you have made quit or that have these glass chins?



God, this place is hilarious sometimes!

[TheBlackSwifty]

These threads are hilarious. J mate, don't even bother. You will never get anywhere with any of them. No doubt the guys who are saying "So how many am titles do you have?" or "Are you a pro contender?", blah, blah, blah have never stepped foot inside any gym, let alone a boxing, martial art, or MMA gym. Why the **** would he have am titles or be a pro contender if he trains in martial arts....is the obvious question that should pop into your head.

Anyone who thinks any boxer will kill any martial artist or any MMA guy should ask themselves this one question, do you think you could get close to a boxers knees? Think about it. Don't forget that boxers train to fight someone standing straight up in front of them, not flying in towards their knees with their head down and below the waist of the boxer. It can be pretty hard to punch someone when they are in that position or when you are off balance falling backwards, or trying to keep yourself from falling backwards. Also rather difficult to get any power at all while that's happening if you think that you could knock out someone while they are shooting. Quite difficult to really hurt or KO someone with a glancing punch to the back of the head.

Anyway, these threads are just foolish. You'll very rarely get someone who doesn't have a bias for boxing here or that knows anything about MA and has actually trained properly in MA and not in some "Get your black-belt in two years Karate Dojo!", so you really can't speak on something you know nothing about. Rather like how you would feel if some history academic came up to you and started telling you they know everything about boxing and it's pro's and con's or ineffectiveness based on silly myths and stereotypes without ever having actually tried boxing or stepped inside a gym and that you know nothing about it.

First of all .- this is a boxing forum

The point is if the dude hasnt had any proper boxing matches why does he think he knows so much about boxing and how to be an effective boxer?
He could be effective in his sport and great in a street fight, so what? this is about boxing! the old dude in his signature taught martial arts, not boxing. And its typical of martial artists to exaggerate the real world fighting ability of
these old masters saying they can throw boxers around like 5 year olds. (note the word árt´ in martial arts - ie form over function)
I have had many am fights as well believe what ya want.
I respect M.artists that train full contact and with mixed styles, but boxing, in a ring, under boxing rules, is a different thing. If ya a M. artist and have had boxing matches or train in boxing great, if not ya experiences dont mean much here.

[TheBlackSwifty]

For example,years ago a dude at my gym fought his old Karate instructor in an amateur boxing match. He beat his instructor and won convincingly and he wasnt even all that good at boxing. In a karate comp he would of lost, in a street fight maybe as well. But in boxing it was a different story.

[potatoes]

I aint gonna totally bag MA but need to say a few things, MA always used to be mostly bull**** based on moivew where little dudes like Bruce Lee could knockout 20 or more attackers, that some little wiry dude with enough training can tirelessly flip guys over with their little finger. And all the mistique surrounding martial arts, secret death touches and all that crap. It wasnt until MMa that alot of the bull**** was exposed, how in the real world fights end up on the ground, fancy high ass taekwondo kicks dnt seem to work in a pub.

Dont get me wrong Boxers also crap on a bit how they can smash these M´artists in streetfights when its not always true. But now MMA has sorted the wheat from the chaff, that ya dont need to do all this bull**** meditation mystical crap, lots have thrown away the pijamas and just concentrate on effective fighting and thats it. And **** theres some good fighters out there now.

But the proof of how martials artists traditionally exaggerated their greatness is that how come these 20 dan, red star ****en ninja masters or whatever arent getting in the boxing ring and winning world titles with their deadly punches and ability to block or avoid everthing that comes their way? Why in early cage fighting you saw people like Dan Severn who had a background in greco-roman wrestling kick ass (and still is)? Aint nothing mystical about fighting. Its not just an ancient asian tradition, there are many European medieval fighting texts, showing how to wrestlem fight with swords, daggers etc. Effective **** used in real life and death battle. like here
http://www.thearma.org/RecommendedList.htm
And the mystical eastern philosophy **** pisses me off as well coz most of the Martists I know in reality are biigheaded and arrogant behind the veil of being some humble calm person.

Just because 99.9% of the people claiming to be martial artists are charlatans, does not mean that martial arts is a fraud. What you see in the cage is streetfighting which requires few skills and little training. I think you should avoid drawing conclusions about one thing when in fact you are looking at something else.

[hinduw]

Tell us who these people are that are great martial artists that you have made quit or that have these glass chins?



God, this place is hilarious sometimes!

ok you name me couple of martial artist who have great chins, you can't cause they aren't tested. I can show you a video of some grand master getting knockt the **** out by a b-class mma fighter but i gues you have already seen that video.

[keepthemhandsup]

this thread is sorta pointless

[mightymouse2k]

ok you name me couple of martial artist who have great chins, you can't cause they aren't tested. I can show you a video of some grand master getting knockt the **** out by a b-class mma fighter but i gues you have already seen that video.

Mirko crocop
Andy hug (rest in peace)
Peter Aerts
Ernesto Hoost
Matt Skelton (when he fought in muay thai)


and many more, the question is difficult to answer as where is the line between martial artists and freestyle (mma) fighters. Most fighters who actually fight in the ring cross train hence they are technically mixed martial artists. The grandmasters, senseis, sifus and teachers of martial arts generally just teach and don't fight hence they might be good at teaching and traing people but not so good in the ring as they simply don't train for competitive fighting.

[potatoes]

Mirko crocop
Andy hug (rest in peace)
Peter Aerts
Ernesto Hoost
Matt Skelton (when he fought in muay thai)


and many more, the question is difficult to answer as where is the line between martial artists and freestyle (mma) fighters. Most fighters who actually fight in the ring cross train hence they are technically mixed martial artists. The grandmasters, senseis, sifus and teachers of martial arts generally just teach and don't fight hence they might be good at teaching and traing people but not so good in the ring as they simply don't train for competitive fighting.

That's like saying a grandmaster at chess can't win a chess match. Either you know what you are doing or you don't.

[mightymouse2k]

That's like saying a grandmaster at chess can't win a chess match. Either you know what you are doing or you don't.

A fair point, but what i'm saying is that knowing and being able to perform the techniques is not enough for competitive fighting. The conditioning including impact training, muscular development and overall fitness is not always maintained by many martial arts instructors, who only teach. Also the psychological factors of being "hungry" and "wanting to fight" are also somewhat lessened by many martial arts instructors (in my experience). Finally many martial arts instructors do 9 to 5s like everyone else and are relatively normal non violent people (actually some instructors i've met, preach non violence) who have no wish to fight anyone. Also many people don't train to fight and couldn't fight even if they wanted to (psychological factor) and only train for fitness, deal with stress, enlightenment, etc.