how to punch correctly

[Juniorvt]

To be more precise, that is where a lot of the power is transfered. The power comes from the legs and hips, twisting the hand transfers that power.

dam right and a trick to getting that twist into your punches is turning your knee inside towards your body, when you turn your knees you turn your hips along with it

[short_hook]

I think twisting your ankle at the very last moment will help you putting weight on your punches. Also remember your foot work, it is very important.

[fraidycat]

Some boxer should learn the Jeet Kune Do straight punch and take advantage of his unlearned opponents, best straight punch on the planet.

Dempsey used the thumb-up punch and called it the "Jolt," a jab or straight lead thrown with the thumb up to get extra range and make a smaller horizontal target. The JKD straight punch uses the strong-side hand in a strong-side-forward facing, which is contrary to western boxing. To fight that way, you've got to really put your time in.

[GhostInMachines]

Dempsey used the thumb-up punch and called it the "Jolt," a jab or straight lead thrown with the thumb up to get extra range and make a smaller horizontal target. The JKD straight punch uses the strong-side hand in a strong-side-forward facing, which is contrary to western boxing. To fight that way, you've got to really put your time in.

the thumbs up style is very old and is found in chinese boxing. they used it because it has much more wrist support, and they also believe it has power. the reason the thumbs to the side punch even started was because of boxing, they wanted a way that might be a little quicker and werent worried about damaging the wrist because of the glove support. the chinese boxing usually didnt wear gloves so they needed a more street effective style punch. this is where the term "boxers break" came from, when someone breaks there wrist punching with the thumb sideways without gloves on that can tend to happen if your wrist gives. it is very uncommon to break your wrist with the vertical punch.

if you lean your weight on a wall agains your fist,you can see you most likely will never have your wrist give if your thumb is facing up. if your thumb is sideways its much more likely

[res]

the thumbs up style is very old and is found in chinese boxing. they used it because it has much more wrist support, and they also believe it has power. the reason the thumbs to the side punch even started was because of boxing, they wanted a way that might be a little quicker and werent worried about damaging the wrist because of the glove support. the chinese boxing usually didnt wear gloves so they needed a more street effective style punch. this is where the term "boxers break" came from, when someone breaks there wrist punching with the thumb sideways without gloves on that can tend to happen if your wrist gives. it is very uncommon to break your wrist with the vertical punch.

if you lean your weight on a wall agains your fist,you can see you most likely will never have your wrist give if your thumb is facing up. if your thumb is sideways its much more likely

That's right, it's common in some styles of Kung Fu and in many of the so called internal Chinese arts: hsing i chaun, Bagua chaun etc.

There are some additional power concepts in the Jeet Kune Do adaptation of it though. I don't think it would ever be good for someone to use it to completely replace the jab because of the speed factor you mentioned, but it would be good to employ when it comes to certain tasks.

[GhostInMachines]

That's right, it's common in some styles of Kung Fu and in many of the so called internal Chinese arts: hsing i chaun, Bagua chaun etc.

There are some additional power concepts in the Jeet Kune Do adaptation of it though. I don't think it would ever be good for someone to use it to completely replace the jab because of the speed factor you mentioned, but it would be good to employ when it comes to certain tasks.

yea no one started to do the horizontal punch(side thumb) until western boxing started to come around and there was extra protection. i use the thumbs up punch as a straight/jab hybrid, and i use it with my strong hand in front. I dont replace it with the jab.i used it in an altercation once(I will rarely talk about fights ive been in) and the guy fell, he was real suprised i hit him that hard with what looked like a jab and barely chambering the punch u no i didnt raise it in the air by my head, i only brought it back to my ribs. in reality if you bring your hand past your hip its just wasting momentum and throwing your power back. read about the 3 inch punch thats all the space you should need in theory to fully load a punch if you push your hips out first

[j]

That's right, it's common in some styles of Kung Fu and in many of the so called internal Chinese arts: hsing i chaun, Bagua chaun etc.

There are some additional power concepts in the Jeet Kune Do adaptation of it though. I don't think it would ever be good for someone to use it to completely replace the jab because of the speed factor you mentioned, but it would be good to employ when it comes to certain tasks.

yea no one started to do the horizontal punch(side thumb) until western boxing started to come around and there was extra protection. i use the thumbs up punch as a straight/jab hybrid, and i use it with my strong hand in front. I dont replace it with the jab.i used it in an altercation once(I will rarely talk about fights ive been in) and the guy fell, he was real suprised i hit him that hard with what looked like a jab and barely chambering the punch u no i didnt raise it in the air by my head, i only brought it back to my ribs. in reality if you bring your hand past your hip its just wasting momentum and throwing your power back. read about the 3 inch punch thats all the space you should need in theory to fully load a punch if you push your hips out first

xing yi's beng has and had a few basic variants. one - uses a quarter turn of the fist. another, is a modified sun fist - which is used in life threatening situations for obvious reasons.

xing yi's pao can also be done with a more horizontal fist so that it flows into an elbow strike with fluidity.

other punches use a horizontal fist, but not necessarily in the way a boxer is going to think of a punch.

now, i wouldn't say that the horizontal fist wasn't used until boxing gloves came about. if you imagine the hundreds, perhaps thousand + years of CMA history, everything has been done before. the corkscrew punch is a famous techniques of wang shu jin(i beleive) that ends in a horizontal fist. however, i would say it is much more known for being used in western style boxing these days.


GhostInMachines, by mentioning where you brought your fist back to, you are talking of where you launched it from, correct? just making sure i read that as you meant.

you are correct in that you do not need much space to put a power hit on a person. in fact, once you get good enough, you do not need a space at all. you don't need a certain amount of distance, you don't need to be in a certain posture, you don't need anything.

[GhostInMachines]

i launch my fist from about where my shoulder is

[GhostInMachines]

its all about the position of your shoulder relative to the rest of your body. imagine your two shoulders and your head are on a straight line, say parallel with the shoulder line of someone your facing right in front of you. to properlly wind up for a punch, all you must do is bring back the punching shoulder as far back as possible, so that instead of parallel, the other shoulder is infront, then the head, then your punching shoulder is in back. if you look at someone winding up for a big punch, or someone doing a 3-inch punch, notice that they are both preparing their shoulders the same way and bringing them back just as far and that someone there doesnt understand the hand is just the whip. if i bring my hand as far back as i can to punch or just getting ready for a cross, the shoulder postion is identical if it will have any power.

[fraidycat]

to properlly wind up for a punch, all you must do is bring back the punching shoulder as far back as possible, so that instead of parallel, the other shoulder is infront, then the head, then your punching shoulder is in back. if you look at someone winding up for a big punch, or someone doing a 3-inch punch, notice that they are both preparing their shoulders the same way and bringing them back just as far and that someone there doesnt understand the hand is just the whip. if i bring my hand as far back as i can to punch or just getting ready for a cross, the shoulder postion is identical if it will have any power.

I'm gonna disagree. I owned a guy in a sparring session at another gym (I was looking for a gym closer to me) because he did exactly this; he was their biggest puncher and their coach put me with him for my first session. I knew when the big punches were coming by watching his shoulders and his feet, and I made sure I was in another ZIP code -- or up in his face -- before they landed. All he did was bruise my arms and my back -- bad; I had bruises the size of plums -- but I beat his face bloody with jabs and lead straights and tore his midsection apart when I was in close. And I'm not a very good boxer; I just have a finely-tuned instinct for self-preservation.

Only chamber a punch if the guy is on the ropes or already dazed. If you see someone chambering a punch, hit him with a straight lead.