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  • rocco1252
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    #61
    Originally posted by Bozo_no no
    Please, you've never seen him fight, and admitted this several times.

    It's your biased agenda talking.
    because he has a crush on Joe Calzaghe, I understand if he's one of your favorite fighters Geoff but accept the fact he hasnt really proved himself to any public whether it be American with a win against a Green Lacy or against any of the minimal talented opposition from England he has faced and called worthy contenders so he could defend his title.

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    • Bozo_no no
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      #62
      Originally posted by rocco1252
      because he has a crush on Joe Calzaghe, I understand if he's one of your favorite fighters Geoff but accept the fact he hasnt really proved himself to any public whether it be American with a win against a Green Lacy or against any of the minimal talented opposition from England he has faced and called worthy contenders so he could defend his title.
      The best part is how he contends he's not a fan of Calzaghes.

      How old do you have to be to have the maturity level to get past something that simple?

      Just admit you're a fan of the guy. At least that would make this endless crusade of defending him make a litlte bit more sense.

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      • GEOFFHAYES
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        #63
        Originally posted by Bozo_no no
        Please.

        You tell everyone you don't like Calzaghe, and that no one in the UK knows who he is.

        Now you're telling me he's "known to US fans".

        You're full of ****, and a complete loon.

        No one in the US gives two ****s about him.



        YOU haven't seen Kessler fight.

        Fact is, you know it's an important attractive match up at 168 and are there for trying to down play it.


        It's "The" fight at Supper Middle, and would crown a Unified Undisputed Super Middlweight Champion.
        Nobody in the US knows Kessler. Calzaghe has had memorable fights on Showtime down the years and is in place to take on Taylor and conquer America.

        Why would he waste his time with Kessler when he can take on top American's? A win over Taylor would mean much more in the US, maybe even tempt Hopkins out of retirement, or set-up a big-money Wright fight or whatever. Bigger fish to fry Stateside. Kessler is a boring attraction.. I thought North American fans would be pleased that a British fighter would be ignoring the European's to fight the North American's and go Stateside??

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        • Bozo_no no
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          #64
          Originally posted by GEOFFHAYES
          Eubank - top fighter

          Reid - top quality

          Woodhall - top quality

          Sheika - supposed to be the 'next big thing' according to American's

          Veit - supposed to be the 'next big thing' according to German's

          Brewer - top fighter

          Mitchell - top fighter, was supposed to KO Joe according to all American's

          Lacy - supposed to be the 'next big thing' and supposed to KO Joe according to all American's

          - Woodhall was knocked out by KEITH HOLMES prior to Calzahge getting to him

          - Ried was always a marginal fringe contender. Thulane Malinga beat him right before Calzaghe did, and got a wide UD. Calzaghe got a SD

          - Brewer was brutalized in 3 rounds by Antwon Echols right before he went 12 rounds with Calzaghe

          - Byron Mitchell was coming off a loss to Ottke, dropped Calzaghe, and then was the victim of a blatant and soft home town stoppage.


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          When you look at Calzaghe's sub par resume over the last 8 years or so, you notice that he was at Supper Middleweight the entire time, yet managed to miss encounters Sven Ottke, Eric Lucas, Markus Beyer, Anthony Mundine, Antwun Echols, Mikkel Kessler, Danny Green...


          Ottke does count, because I don't buy that such a big fight was available (like many others) and that it was completely Ottke's fault it didn't come off.

          I always get a list of excuses from Calzaghe's fans about why many of those fights didn't come off. And if it was once or twice I could see it. But when he spent the better portion of his career having fights not come off and missing countless opportunities to face better competition than he did, he loses the benefit of the doubt.

          There is no way those many match ups, plus dreamed of match ups like Jones, Hopkins, Clinton Woods, Glen Johnson ...

          all didn't come off and I'm supposed to buy that everyone was ducking Calzaghe and not vice versa, ESPECIALLY when FRANK WARREN was his Manager.

          Doesn't fly.

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          • GEOFFHAYES
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            #65
            Originally posted by rocco1252
            because he has a crush on Joe Calzaghe, I understand if he's one of your favorite fighters Geoff but accept the fact he hasnt really proved himself to any public whether it be American with a win against a Green Lacy or against any of the minimal talented opposition from England he has faced and called worthy contenders so he could defend his title.
            He's considered the greatest British fighter ever by many, including HOFer Barry McGuigan.

            And you call Reid and Woodhall 'minimal talented' without ever seeing them fight - they were both TOP QUALITY, well-known fighters and big British rivals of Calzaghe, those were quality, close fights and expected to be quality, close fights.

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            • GEOFFHAYES
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              #66
              Originally posted by Bozo_no no
              The best part is how he contends he's not a fan of Calzaghes.

              How old do you have to be to have the maturity level to get past something that simple?

              Just admit you're a fan of the guy. At least that would make this endless crusade of defending him make a litlte bit more sense.

              No, I'm genuinely not a Calzaghe fan.

              I'm a fan of the truth.

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              • Bozo_no no
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                #67
                Originally posted by GEOFFHAYES
                Nobody in the US knows Kessler. Calzaghe has had memorable fights on Showtime down the years and is in place to take on Taylor and conquer America.

                Why would he waste his time with Kessler when he can take on top American's? A win over Taylor would mean much more in the US, maybe even tempt Hopkins out of retirement, or set-up a big-money Wright fight or whatever. Bigger fish to fry Stateside. Kessler is a boring attraction.. I thought North American fans would be pleased that a British fighter would be ignoring the European's to fight the North American's and go Stateside??
                Once again, you know NOTHING of what Calzaghe's rep is like in the US, just like you know NOTHING of Kessler, having not seen him fight (lol).

                No one in the US cares about Calzaghe.

                They care just as much about seeing 4-title unification fights then they do either Joe or Kessler.

                Taylor's fighting in December, Joe easilly could have fought Kessler in early 07 and still looked to fight whoever he wants after.

                It's a great match up between undefeated Supper Middleweights, and would unify all 4 major titles, making it the only division in boxing with that distinction at present.

                Nothing you can twist is going to downplay the signifigance of that fight.


                PS: Admit you're a Calzaghe fan.

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                • rocco1252
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                  #68
                  Originally posted by GEOFFHAYES
                  Eubank - top fighter

                  Reid - top quality

                  Woodhall - top quality

                  Sheika - supposed to be the 'next big thing' according to American's

                  Veit - supposed to be the 'next big thing' according to German's

                  Brewer - top fighter

                  Mitchell - top fighter, was supposed to KO Joe according to all American's

                  Lacy - supposed to be the 'next big thing' and supposed to KO Joe according to all American's


                  You've never seen any of them fight, and until you do STFU with your nonsense.
                  Ive seen Joe fight why would you say that without knowing? It doesnt matter what people THOUGHT of his opposition before the fight, their records as well as the way they fought when they fought him proves everyone wrong. I dont care how big your heart is and how many people tell you your great and the NEXT BIG THING your not until you prove it and none ever proved it in big matches. Any fighter can earn a few good wins and get a title shot that doesnt make them the next big thing though they have to overcome adversity and prove their worth something none of them accept Eubank did. The best fighter Joe has ever faced was a washed up Eubank and thats the truth, Kessler is the next best thing in everyones mind so why does he choose not to fight him and go after Manfredo and a washed up Jones or a washed up 44 year old Hopkins?

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                  • GEOFFHAYES
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                    #69
                    Originally posted by Bozo_no no
                    - Woodhall was knocked out by KEITH HOLMES prior to Calzahge getting to him
                    Bull****! See, more lying.

                    Even the American commentators had Woodhall three or four rounds in front, before he had to be pulled out with his dislocated shoulder (he was brave enough even coming out for the final round). He clearly beat Holmes with one arm but was going to be on the receiving end of a scandalous robbery when you look at the scorecards - that's one reason Calzaghe never went Stateside, the scoring of this fight.

                    And Woodhall was kept on the WBC mandatory spot for 18 months by a certain Mr King! When Woodhall was about to go into surgery for his injury, King suddenly gave him his shot..

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                    • Bozo_no no
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                      #70
                      Originally posted by GEOFFHAYES
                      And you call Reid and Woodhall 'minimal talented' without ever seeing them fight
                      Funny how you can tell him he can't talk about fighters he hasn't seen, yet you're so quick to dismiss Kessler (and talk about his US appeal) when you haven't seen him fight.

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