If Mayweather beats Margarito, will you discredit Margarito?

**El Jesus** · 11-08-2006, 05:13 PM

Originally posted by Asian Sensation

The first time that a major fight between a hispanic and black fighter really drew barriers was Duran-Leonard, the first in a series of racially charged fights. All Central Americans and Mexicans will go for Margarito because he represents the tough "I don't need no stinking skill" attitude, whereas Mayweather is a smooth technician of the sweet science. It's more a cultural machismo thing.

The funny thing is, the puerto ricans on this site dont seem to feel that notion. And if my family was still on the island, id probably feel the same way, but were part of america anyway, so it really dont matter much...then again, you did say CENTRAL.

**Mr. Ryan** · 11-08-2006, 05:16 PM

Originally posted by Black Jesus

The funny thing is, the puerto ricans on this site dont seem to feel that notion. And if my family was still on the island, id probably feel the same way, but were part of america anyway, so it really dont matter much...then again, you did say CENTRAL.

I've lived most of my life around Puerto Ricans and Mexicans, and let me tell you this. They are as different as black and white, I wanted to draw that distinction there. Both of them look down on one another, you will never see a Mexican root for a Puerto Rican or vice versa.

**cyberthugpatrol** · 11-08-2006, 05:25 PM

Originally posted by Asian Sensation

I've lived most of my life around Puerto Ricans and Mexicans, and let me tell you this. They are as different as black and white, I wanted to draw that distinction there. Both of them look down on one another, you will never see a Mexican root for a Puerto Rican or vice versa.

I disagree with you 99% of the time, this is the 1%

**Mr. Ryan** · 11-08-2006, 05:28 PM

Originally posted by cyberthugpatrol

I disagree with you 99% of the time, this is the 1%

It's ****ed up, I know but thats the way it is. Everybody is exactly alike but that means nothing to anybody. Most people think I'm a slanty eyed mexican, thats how close everybody really is.

I live in the ******, where people are oppressed by their own self destructive practices. That is one of the self destructive practices that occur.

**ferocity** · 11-09-2006, 12:24 AM

Originally posted by Black Jesus

You always fallback on that "OH WHITAKER FOULED CHAVEZ SO MANY TIMES" man, you overstate that ****, alot of that was on the belt or borderline, and a fighter like Chavez wouldnt have much leverage in complaining since chavez was knew all the dirty tricks, just like hopkins does. I respect chavez for knowing those tricks, because he was slick and got away with alot of headbutting/lowblowing. Whitaker dominated chavez, period, and if whitaker was doing as much lowblowing/fouling as you say, why WOULDNT he be penalized, as many times as whitaker was robbed and cheated, why wouldnt they cheat him against chavez in a favborable crowd? come on man, your reaching and you know it, JCC got dominated and whitaker should have gotten the win, period.

You hate for Chavez is showing. What Whitiker did was run all night long. Tell me why Whitiker refused a rematch with Chavez?

Baldomir is comparable in terms of the style he attempts to use, Baldomir is Margarito-Lite, Margarito is the better fighter in terms of youth/size, but its not like Margarito is light years ahead in terms of talent/skill. Neither are that great, im not brainwashed by anything, i just know better. And my opinion on the matter is alot more realistic than yours based on the fact that we have seen mayweather in with pressure fighters before and the result is the same, if margarito had been in with ANY B/A class fighter before, then we could assess better what Margarito would do, but since we havent, the edge goes to mayweather based on what we have seen from that style before, which gives me the edge over YOU in this argument.

Baldomier is on a lower level then Margarito - case closed.

Thats how betting odds are made in any sport, when we have seen what one side can do against another in similar opposition. If the other side hasnt faced opposition to the calibre of the opponent, than that person is the underdog, Margarito is the underdog, and mayweather is the favorite based on the logic that we have seen mayweather in with guys who fight like margarito before and we have seen him come out on top. Your argument is based more on wishing and hypothetical hoping rather than actual talent/skill/resume.

Your way of thinking is called reaching. Mayweather has never faced a fighter as strong as Margarito or one who hits as hard as Margarito. Look Mayweather said, I quote, "We're not fighting to prove to the boxing fans, who the best is!" then he said, "its about making smart decicions that are going to move me up!" Mayweather wants nothing to do with a dangerous fighter like Margarito, cause as Mayweather said, "we're not fighting to prove to the boxing fans, who the best it...."

Originally posted by wmute

You believe very wrong, and I am surprised since we have been arguing over this for months (by we I mean exactly you and me).

the big offer was smaller than waht Floyd made fighting Baldomir

Thats what is rumored, and its said that Floyd got the type of money because in the contract Goosen now will promote Floyd for his next fight.

the big offer vanished from the table, the minute pbf-dlh fell through (which is a very surprising fact and should leave you wandering how a succesfull entrepreneur like Bob Arum cannot have access to financial institutions, when he is short of cash at a particular time... bad credit history?? dont make me laugh more than i already did)

What does this prove? Its been documented that Floyd ducked Margarito.

I was here when baldomir was announced, I predicetd floyd UD (by less than the landslide it was admittedly), and like many others on this forum, I was not disappointed because Baldomir was the man at 147.

I remember many others, being mad at floyd for choseing Baldomier as his next opponet, thats not counting the Mayweather nuthuggers.

1. 8 millions were in Arum's mouth
2. if you are willing to buy that, you also have to buy floyd's camp and espn saying they made more for Baldomir

Floyds never said, Arums offer was bogus, but many have given differnt numbers as to how much Floyd got paid for Baldomier.

I agree that he is not going to be the greatest if he retires

He will never be considered the best.

the notion that Margarito name will come to haunt him later is your wishful thinking and rests on Margarito FUTURE performances not on what he has done so far.

Sure, it wont. When people are asking to judge Mayweather good and bad, they have to talk about the bad, the bad being that he ducked Antonio Margarito. And its not wishfull thinking. You know Rocky Marciano right? Well, i've heard on more then one occasion by boxing historians that Rocky retired rather then face his mandatory Floyd Patterson. So, yes, belive it, Margarito will come to haunt Floyd Mayweather.

As you can read above I know enough about the news to say what I want

So, so, i saw.

Again this is just your fantasizing or being able to read floyd's mind (if it's the latter, you could be useful in margarito's corner)

See, you showing your ignorance to the Margarito-Mayweather situation.

Originally posted by PBF34

Yeah your either retarted or so biased your blind.
Whitaker schooled Chavez, and Baldy has beaten better opponents than Tony.
These are just facts.

Running is what Whitiker did, besidees teh fact that Whitiker hit Chavez in the balls about a millliion times. As yourself this, would Margarito be able to beat the same opponet that Baldomier did? Of course he would have and beaten them in worse fashion. Floyd says, gett off his balls.

**ferocity** · 11-09-2006, 12:26 AM

Originally posted by Asian Sensation

It's ****ed up, I know but thats the way it is. Everybody is exactly alike but that means nothing to anybody. Most people think I'm a slanty eyed mexican, thats how close everybody really is.

I live in the ******, where people are oppressed by their own self destructive practices. That is one of the self destructive practices that occur.

From your picture you don't look anything like a Mexican.

**wmute** · 11-09-2006, 02:25 PM