Did Mayweather fight the best in his era?

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  • chan184
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    #31
    There is always going to be a never ending list of fighters Mayweather should fight before he retires. IMO, he's already defeated everyone he needs to. ODH and Mosley are past thier prime, and would not do very much for his career. He already beat Baldomire, and does not need to fight more contenders. He would humiliate Cotto and Hatton (anyone who doesn't think so is a fool). It was a real treat to watch a living legend at work.

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    • dino
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      #32
      hamed freitas and casamayor admittedly ducked mayweather..and hamed and freitas will admit it

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      • TheBlackWallStreet
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        #33
        Floyd fought everyone that was available to fight that was a big fight. I only knock Floyd for not taking one fight and that was the Juan Lazcano Fight back in the day. Hatton, Cotto, Spinks, Mosely, ODLH would be the only good fights left for Floyd but they dont want it in the ring with him. Margarito imo isnt worth the time or effort the other fights are better. Margarito isnt even a legit 147lb Champion.

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        • Stromprophet
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          #34
          Take a look at the 2 guys that I would consider as having most right to lay claim to "one of the greats"

          In recent history I would look at Sugar Ray Leanord, and Oscar De La Hoya.

          Sugar Ray - I mean comeon, the guy fought Tommy Hearns when Hearns was as deadly as the come, he fought Duran, he fought Marvin Hagler. Who were all world class opposition, not just good fighters, but all of them were great in their own right. Duran won over 100 fights, Hagler only lost 1 time in is Career, and Hearns (though his body and chin were somehwat questionable) was just a devestating puncher, I mean he ended Duran in a couple rounds.

          De La Hoya has fought so many world champions, former world champions, it's not even funny. He fought Sugar Shane Mosley when Sugar was the PFP, He fought Tito when Tito was the only other best boxer out there, if you look at the records of guys he fought that could be considered not good boxers, or over the hill (i.e. Jesus Chavez was 99-1 I think when he fought De la Hoya), and Gatti only had one loss at the time he fought De la Hoya. He fought Bernard Hopkins.

          Both men choose to fight the best regardless of what weight class they were in, who it was, or how great their opposition might be.

          They also commanded the money for those fights. PBF only fights for the money, both Sugar and Oscar were capable of generating the money for fights with great fighters regardless of whether the other fighters could generate enough. Because both were good at public relations, which PBF is terrible at.

          It's exactly why he never could generate as much money as both those guys did for their fights. He has just merely above average pay-per view buys when other fighters turn in outstanding numbers of buy.

          I will say this. He hasn't exactly had the same level of greats available to fight him. Sugar and Oscar fought in environments where there were really good fighters available.

          I often wonder if he should have stayed down in weight or even lower weight.

          He could have had a shot at Pacman, Morrales, or Berrera. (I think they fought at 126 and 130 right?)

          Didn't PBF used to fight at 135? (I am rusty on his career in the early days)

          I mean, if you look at it there are quite a few fights he might have been able to make earlier in his career I would have liked to have seen.

          Tito could have fought him at 147, that might have been entertaining.
          Kyosk Tzu, he didn't ever opt for a fight with the Mad Russian when he had dominated at 140 for since forever till Hatton showed he was human.

          I will give him the fact that he fought Diego Corrales when Diego was just crazy strong at that weight. And he beat him soundly. Also fougth Castillo, though Castillo is not what I would call great, just kinda good.

          He has the opportunity now, to show some things at Welterweight.

          There are a lot of good fighters out there. Cotto, Hatton, De lay Hoya, Sugar Shane.

          He needs to close the show with 3 good fights next year against top, TOP, opponents and that will show me and a few others that he is "one of the greats"

          Right now, to me. He is just best of the current breed. But not one of the best of all times.

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          • K-DOGG
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            #35
            Originally posted by alphaqfrankie
            Floyd is no doubt p4p best right now, but has he fought everyone in his era to make him the greatest? What about guys like Hatton, Cotto, Margarito, P. Williams, Shane Mosely? Why weren't these guys given a shot ? IMO Floyd has no doubt the potential to be one of the all time greats, but he is willing to leave us asking more questions than answers.....


            IMO Floyd is a great fighter but can't say he is the all-time best.
            Agreed. He should have fought Hatton at 140, for starters. He did well at Jr. Lightweight and Lightweight; but has slacked off since. Fighting Judah and Baldomir at 147 were good moves; but I feel Margarito, Williams, Cotto, and Mosley, even though he's past his best, should be in the cards as well.

            There are others; but those are the main ones.

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            • Xcel
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              #36
              What elite fighters has Floyd not faced? The list is real short.

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              • cortdawg25
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                #37
                Originally posted by BobbyDigital
                Regardless of the fact what all of you are doing is summing up PBF's carrer at 135 overshadowing the current weight class which HE ALONE considers has been conquered by him he is at 147 not 130 or 35. I consider him one of the best at 135 and 30 he is the best i know but NOT WELTERWEIGHT Gatti , Sharmba Mitcell, Baldomir is not sufficient credibility to state he is the best at 147 his best opposition at 147 was judah but he needs to fight some more fights to determine he is the best at welter. DECENT Opposition such as RICKY HATTON, MIGUEL COTTO, ANTONIO MARGARITO, SHANE MOSLEY. HE needs to fight any of these guys to take any doubt out of my mind he is the best in that weight class , regardless if the opponents are credible this is justa line up of guys who will atleast challenge him to atleast utilize all of his skills personally the guy talks too much , and he should of beat baldomir in less than 12 , from what my friend told me he walked out of the fight before the 12th round so obviously he is not big ppv money as he says he is. Wins over Diego Corrales, Jose Luis Castillo , Jesus Chavez have solidified his skills yes , respect yes , but what PBF fans do is overshadow those names in his new carrer at 147 , If he fights the list above , he has my respect but until he stops ducking fights for 8 million and a wbo title I will consider him a true champ
                People were walking out because it ws clear who won, he won every round, even the ones he was coasting in, that is why they left, there is nothing more to see. let's make it to the after party

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                • cortdawg25
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                  #38
                  oscar delahoys would never be considered an all time great for his boxing but more for his following. Oscar did face just about everybody, but didn't win and that is why he will never be an alltime great. SRL did fight Hearns when Hearns was the Detroit Cobra, no doubt. He also fought Duran twice and was one and one. The fight he won, he did exactly what Floyd does today and that is stick and move and counter and outmaneuver your opponents. When he fought Hagler, that fight was long overdue. hagler was not the same Hagler and still SRL only chose to engage with hagler in the last min. with Flurries. Basically he ran and stole rounds at the end.

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                  • cyberthugpatrol
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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Zab Super Judah
                    he has fought everyone

                    and dont give me that margarito crap.

                    If he fought margarito there would still be people ready to discredit him
                    he's running from Antonio Margarito for a reason

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                    • cyberthugpatrol
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                      #40
                      Originally posted by cortdawg25
                      oscar delahoys would never be considered an all time great for his boxing but more for his following. Oscar did face just about everybody, but didn't win and that is why he will never be an alltime great. SRL did fight Hearns when Hearns was the Detroit Cobra, no doubt. He also fought Duran twice and was one and one. The fight he won, he did exactly what Floyd does today and that is stick and move and counter and outmaneuver your opponents. When he fought Hagler, that fight was long overdue. hagler was not the same Hagler and still SRL only chose to engage with hagler in the last min. with Flurries. Basically he ran and stole rounds at the end.
                      you are still drunk on floyd *****

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