muhhammad ali is overrated!!

[hemichromis]

he had alot of gift decisions in his career..he didnt know what a body attack was....he didnt have any power and larry holmes who fought a very similar style to ali was better..ali's best win was that lucky win over foreman..in which he lost every round other then the last when foreman fell out from exhaustion

you know i could disprove any of those statements but i can't be arsed!

[Mr. Ryan]

re asian sensation:
you also have alot of flaws in your earlier posts. you forget that it was actually found out that liston was 41 (or around that age, i cannot remember the exact number) when he fought ali. both fights are also very dodgy and i just don't feel comfortable judging a potential louis - ali bout on 2 very, very, very dodgy decisions.

41? That's insane. Liston contends that he was born in either 1933 or 32, which would make him 31-32 by the time they fought. In the first fight, Liston undertranied and was underestimating Ali going in, and was utterly shocked by the spirited effort he faced. After 6 rounds of getting beaten and being fatigued by his own mispreparation, Liston spit out his mouthpiece and told his cornermen "That's it"/. They initially thought it meant that he had had enough of the games and was going to get serious about business. He told them didn't you hear me? It's over. He quit right there cuz he knew he wasn't going to get much better from there.

In the second fight, Liston had prepared much better to go a distance than he did the first time, he was truly ready. Then Ali suffered a hernia and the fight had to be postponed. Liston qwas pissed cuz he knew he would have to restart his preparations, and he hated to train. He was not in the most seasoned of shape by fight time, even telling Joe Louis "I don't feel good" in the dressing room when asked how he felt. He got caught with a solid shot coming in, was dazed and down, then decided he was going to try his luck elsewhere in Lewiston. Simple as that, Ali was the stronger man internally.

[Guest]

he had alot of gift decisions in his career..he didnt know what a body attack was....he didnt have any power and larry holmes who fought a very similar style to ali was better..ali's best win was that lucky win over foreman..in which he lost every round other then the last when foreman fell out from exhaustion

Someone hit this moron up with bad K... I'm out.

[Azteca]

41? That's insane. Liston contends that he was born in either 1933 or 32, which would make him 31-32 by the time they fought. In the first fight, Liston undertranied and was underestimating Ali going in, and was utterly shocked by the spirited effort he faced. After 6 rounds of getting beaten and being fatigued by his own mispreparation, Liston spit out his mouthpiece and told his cornermen "That's it"/. They initially thought it meant that he had had enough of the games and was going to get serious about business. He told them didn't you hear me? It's over. He quit right there cuz he knew he wasn't going to get much better from there.

In the second fight, Liston had prepared much better to go a distance than he did the first time, he was truly ready. Then Ali suffered a hernia and the fight had to be postponed. Liston qwas pissed cuz he knew he would have to restart his preparations, and he hated to train. He was not in the most seasoned of shape by fight time, even telling Joe Louis "I don't feel good" in the dressing room when asked how he felt. He got caught with a solid shot coming in, was dazed and down, then decided he was going to try his luck elsewhere in Lewiston. Simple as that, Ali was the stronger man internally.

don't mean to be rude, BUT ali - liston 1 & 2 are a couple of the most dodgiest decisions in boxing history. the mob was involved in these ones, believe it. i don't want to totally disregard your opinion, but i would bet both of my balls that at least ONE of these fights was fixed. it's not much to hold your head on when discussing ali's career, imo.

[hemichromis]

well in the first fight listons left shoulder was apparently out. in the secod fight he got knocked out by the phantom punch. ali's punches had some power to them occasionally and that phantom punch came from nowhere so that COULD be a legit knockout

[butterfly1964]

he had alot of gift decisions in his career..he didnt know what a body attack was....he didnt have any power and larry holmes who fought a very similar style to ali was better..ali's best win was that lucky win over foreman..in which he lost every round other then the last when foreman fell out from exhaustion

That's why youre bar is red!

[Truth]

Asian, I agree with your analysis of Ali. But Liston faster than Tyson?

[Verstyle]

Asian, I agree with your analysis of Ali. But Liston faster than Tyson?

he said that ****

[BigSlick]

Ali beat 4 top 10 heavyweights in their prime, what other heavyweight fighter can make that claim?

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[butterfly1964]

Ali beat 4 top 10 heavyweights in their prime, what other heavyweight fighter can make that claim?

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Four? Don't you mean three? Who's the other one?