muhhammad ali is overrated!!

[Azteca]

re asian sensation:
you also have alot of flaws in your earlier posts. you forget that it was actually found out that liston was 41 (or around that age, i cannot remember the exact number) when he fought ali. both fights are also very dodgy and i just don't feel comfortable judging a potential louis - ali bout on 2 very, very, very dodgy decisions.

[hollister]

Also Schmeling went into the second fight with the same plan as the first, to wait until Louis jabbed and dropped his hand and counter it with his right hand. He simply didn't jab because he didn't want to miss his chance to counter Louis' jab. Unfortunately he wasn't fast enough to miss any of Louis' bombs either lol

[Yogi]

you forget that it was actually found out that liston was 41 (or around that age, i cannot remember the exact number) when he fought ali.

Not true.

The 1930 census came out a few years ago, and there was no listing for Charles L. Liston having been born yet...The census people did visit the Liston family's household too, as evident by them having listings for his mother (Helen), father (Tobin), three brothers (J.T., Leo, and Curtis), and three sisters (Clytee, Annie, and Alcora).

Liston was no older than 32 or 33 when Ali fought him the first time.

[Yogi]

Azteca;

Here's one source that backs up what I said in my previous post;

http://www.thesweetscience.com/boxin...h-sonny-liston

[hollister]

Tyson 36 when he fought Lewis, and look how shot he was.
Liston was past it, whether it was age, lack of motivation, the alignment of the planets, lol
Not saying that he would have won in his prime, but that wasn't his prime.

[BuddyChacon]

Tyson 36 when he fought Lewis, and look how shot he was.
Liston was past it, whether it was age, lack of motivation, the alignment of the planets, lol
Not saying that he would have won in his prime, but that wasn't his prime.

Liston Prime was before he even won the title imo.

[Azteca]

Azteca;

Here's one source that backs up what I said in my previous post;

http://www.thesweetscience.com/boxin...h-sonny-liston

fair enough. it is a little dodgy, but i stand corrected.

[BmoreBrawler]

Liston would have destroyed Tyson, Liston was much stronger and quicker.

lol Sonny Liston's quicker than tyson? Some people tend to overestimate the past...

[BuddyChacon]

lol Sonny Liston's quicker than tyson? Some people tend to overestimate the past...

I think Liston would beat Tyson, but no way was he anywhere near as fast.

[hollister]

I think Liston would beat Tyson, but no way was he anywhere near as fast.

I agree, he didn't have the handspeed that Tyson had, and in most of his fights he was a much more cautious fighter than Tyson was, he used is jab alot more.