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  • Abe Attell
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    #31
    Originally posted by Steel Glovez
    Why don't you post older Kostya Tszyu vs Ricky Hatton?

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    • Steel Glovez
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      #32
      Originally posted by Abe Attell
      I didn't say Duran would run over Chavez, but I did say Duran would win...now, am I 100% positive, NO, how could I be, this is boxing, crazy things happen.

      But I do think Duran was the stronger fighter...if you want proof, look at his career and how high he was able to move up fighting in his style...look at his fight with Hagler.
      Being able to move up in weight doesn’t mean **** in this case. That is natural as you grow older. A boxer doesn't have to prove himself by moving up in weight. If they both fought at the same weight...why would one have an advantage just because he fought at a higher weight class? Did it help Meldrick Taylor in the rematch? Hell no, matter of fact he got an even worse ass whooping then before. So it could actually be detrimental.

      Like I said, it would be a hell of a fight and I'm not sure who would win. Chavez didn’t get KO’d ‘til he got old. Duran on the other hand got KO’d left and right. But he fought all over the place so I’m sure moving up in weight was ****ing him up.

      EDIT: Replace the KO's with KD's
      Last edited by Steel Glovez; 10-23-2006, 05:23 PM.

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      • Abe Attell
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        #33
        Duran's ability to move up and stay strong is my point

        Meldrick's problem was that he had a **** corner who instructed him wrong...now Meldrick did say something on the lines of, "I can outbox anybody, but it is boring, I want to know I am in a fight"...but a great trainer should/would be able to tell Taylor to just box and move.

        Taylor and Duran's power are different.
        Last edited by Abe Attell; 10-23-2006, 05:26 PM.

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        • Steel Glovez
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          #34
          Originally posted by Abe Attell
          Duran's ability to move up and stay strong is my point
          Are you positively sure that Chavez wouldn’t have been able to move up in weight?

          Do you think Manny Pac isn’t that great/strong a fighter because he doesn’t want to move up in weight?

          Duran’s career in higher weight classes was nowhere near as glorious as in smaller weight classes.

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          • raymon123
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            #35
            I think prime delahoya would still beat a prime chavez cause look at the styles. I don't think chavez in his prime has ever face a fighter that is taller with skills and too much speed. Oscar at 135-140 was unbeatable. Chavez has always been 1 demensional and chavez has never been a fastest puncher. I don't think oscar would have stop a prime chavez but i could see a prime oscar easily jabbing a primechavez to dealth for a decision. Taylor was easily outboxing chavez but taylor was in the same height as chavez and taylor wanted to fight on the inside to chavez which is a no no. I bet ya a prime oscar wouldn't do that.

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            • Steel Glovez
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              #36
              Originally posted by Abe Attell
              Duran's ability to move up and stay strong is my point

              Meldrick's problem was that he had a **** corner who instructed him wrong...now Meldrick did say something on the lines of, "I can outbox anybody, but it is boring, I want to know I am in a fight"...but a great trainer should/would be able to tell Taylor to just box and move.

              Taylor and Duran's power are different.
              It was sad to see what happened to Meldrick. He might have won if he listened to his corner and ran like a ***** in the last round, but then how would we look at him then? Would he still have the same amount of respect because he beat an undefeated champion by sticking and moving (AKA running like a *****, we all saw where that got DLH), or by slugging it out?

              If you're smart you stay away from JCC, but I also see why he went out the way he did.

              Regardless, he would have still gotten his ass chewed out by Terry Norris later on.

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              • Abe Attell
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                #37
                Originally posted by Steel Glovez
                Are you positively sure that Chavez wouldn’t have been able to move up in weight?

                Do you think Manny Pac isn’t that great/strong a fighter because he doesn’t want to move up in weight?

                Duran’s career in higher weight classes was nowhere near as glorious as in smaller weight classes.
                Chavez couldn't move up as high as Duran...even an older Duran wouldn't have been pushed around like Chavez was against Tszyu...Tszyu might be a bad example since Kostya is one of, if not the strongest guy at that weight division...Chavez was a beast at a certain weight, but he had more limits than Duran.

                Pac knows his limits as well.

                And yes, Duran was better at the lighter weights, but his ability to win at the higher weights was impressive...his fight with Hagler was pretty good, and Hagler is a strong fighter.


                Fighters have limits, just look at Oscar trying to fight Bernard.

                Sometimes styles make fights, like Duran getting his head taken off by Hearns.

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                • Steel Glovez
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                  #38
                  Damn. Poor, Meldrick. It almost seems like it was his destiny to get KO'd in embarrassing fashion.

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                  • Abe Attell
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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Steel Glovez
                    Damn. Poor, Meldrick. It almost seems like it was his destiny to get KO'd in embarrassing fashion.

                    Stubborn behavior doesn't end well...he shouldn't have been born in Philly, or at least he should have been given greater power in his hands...every fighter seems to have to have at least one negative, that is life I guess.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Steel Glovez
                      It was sad to see what happened to Meldrick. He might have won if he listened to his corner and ran like a ***** in the last round, but then how would we look at him then? Would he still have the same amount of respect because he beat an undefeated champion by sticking and moving (AKA running like a *****, we all saw where that got DLH), or by slugging it out?

                      If you're smart you stay away from JCC, but I also see why he went out the way he did.

                      Regardless, he would have still gotten his ass chewed out by Terry Norris later on.
                      how does it feel knowing your saying that a boxers means of keeping his marbles together is considered "runnin like a ***** "...

                      now i see why taylor was the pro fighter and you were the pro loud mouth

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