Kessler and his overnight fans

[restless_438]

i love being a hardcore boxing fan.. because very rarely have i not heard of a guy before he becomes known to the general boxing public..

that said, i was happy HBO did a little coverage of the Kessler-Beyer fight, it's important that boxing fans really broaden their knowledge of fighters all over the world IMO

[Guest]

Well i guess I didnt think you had a problem with them considering this.

I've watched Joe Calzaghe for the last three years now. Actually, maybe I DON'T have much of a problem with Calzaghe "overnight fans" who had their eyes opened.

What I do have a problem with is people who see a three-round fight of a figher who hasn't had good competition (even by Calzaghe's standards) and instantly declare him his conqueror.

Though is any overnight fans of The Blow would suggest that he's "guaranteed" to obliterate Kessler, then yes, I would have a problem with that, too.

[kayjay]

floyd signed to fight judah when judah was THE champ. and floyd's signed to fight again the champ at 147 carlos baldomir.

if floyd hasnt fought the best, who has he dodged?

All these points are nice in a Floyd thread, and I agree to give him some slack on his recent competition. Judah and Baldomir are the last two champs at 147 so Floyd should fight them. But for you to so there is 'NO' comparison is totally unfair. The cases are all too similar. Two undefeated champs with some work left for them in their divisions. Floyd has a better resume, no doubt, but not tons better at the moment, at least not so much to make any comparison worthless.

[Parody]

Put your hands up if you've seen more than ONE Kessler fight? Okay... all six of you can sit at the back for the rest of this thread.

The fact that this forum seems to be getting behind this guy since Saturday says to me that people are, at best, naive for believing in a guy after ONE fight. At worst - as most of those threads seem to be suggesting that Calzaghe is "scared" of him - it comes over as sour g****s. Or, as one particular poster might put it, it's "spytefullll."

I love the Joe Blow story on this forum... a world champ that reigns for nine years yet is largely ignored or derided. Then when he gets a shot with an opponent who isn't a "bum" (by virtue of the fact that people have heard of him... strange how that works, innit?) he's predicted to get KO'd early... even though at least 50% of the people making such predictions had never even seen one fight of his, or bothered to do any research. Not even download a single fight.

Then we get the begrudging praise, and now all of a sudden before we've even heard anything about a unification match-up, it's back to The Blow "fearing" people. "fearing". As in, the sort of thing you'd say when you're five years old.



It's about time we got SERIOUS about discussing boxing in here. No "haters", "nuthuggers" or "ownage". And no opening your yap unless you know whereof you speak. (Minimum requirement: watch THREE fights of EACH boxer before you start with the yap yap yap).


This happened, come to terms with it:

These are the kessler fights I have seen: Siaca, Mundine, Lucas, Cummings, Green, Porras, and Beyer. some people have really jumped in the bandwagon recently but thats because he blew a 3 time world champion in 3 rounds, its how impressive he looked (compared to calzones win against bika), Kessler is strong, tall, big, quick, with good boxing skills, hes a boxer puncher, that can really **** well. I think he would give calzaghe the toughest fight of blows career and win a decision, however i do believe that even though kessler is strong he wont be able to stop/ko calzone. Kessler by UD 116-112

[Bozo_no no]

Put your hands up if you've seen more than ONE Kessler fight? Okay... all six of you can sit at the back for the rest of this thread.

The fact that this forum seems to be getting behind this guy since Saturday says to me that people are, at best, naive for believing in a guy after ONE fight. At worst - as most of those threads seem to be suggesting that Calzaghe is "scared" of him - it comes over as sour g****s. Or, as one particular poster might put it, it's "spytefullll."

I love the Joe Blow story on this forum... a world champ that reigns for nine years yet is largely ignored or derided. Then when he gets a shot with an opponent who isn't a "bum" (by virtue of the fact that people have heard of him... strange how that works, innit?) he's predicted to get KO'd early... even though at least 50% of the people making such predictions had never even seen one fight of his, or bothered to do any research. Not even download a single fight.

Then we get the begrudging praise, and now all of a sudden before we've even heard anything about a unification match-up, it's back to The Blow "fearing" people. "fearing". As in, the sort of thing you'd say when you're five years old.



It's about time we got SERIOUS about discussing boxing in here. No "haters", "nuthuggers" or "ownage". And no opening your yap unless you know whereof you speak. (Minimum requirement: watch THREE fights of EACH boxer before you start with the yap yap yap).


This happened, come to terms with it:

Funny how you weren't making this complaint about all the fans Joe gained after his ONE fight with Lacy.



People in North America saw BOTH Calzaghe and Kessler on HBO this weekend, and that was the intention.

Kessler looked spectactular, Joe Blew.

That Knock out is going to excite people who haven't seen Kessler fight before, and blaming them for not having seen them when there's no televised fights in of him in North America seems silly.

Even your buddy the Juyster in the UK has never seen Kessler fight, because there's been poor international brodcasting with Kessler's fights.

I don't see how people seeing the two best Supper Middleweights in the world and wanting to see them unify all four belts is a bad thing in any way.

Bring it on, and let's here more talk about it.

If anyone wants more Kessler fights I'll upload some in the DL forum. The more hype and interest in this fight the better.

[Stromprophet]

I have been a boxing fan only for a year and half. So I don't have a real frame of reference, other than I watch a lot, a lot, a lot of bouts.

I like to know my history.

I believe Kessler has beaten 5 former and current world champs. So he does have some genuine experience, that said, as much as we are touting people (in the U.S. in particular) should be open to fighters from all over the world, the argument being just because we have not seen them on american networks doesn't mean they are not good.

That's true, but Kessler has never really left Denmark has he? (Calzaghe has never left Britian really either). I think in order to appreciate world fighters, world fights need to appreciate they can't just fight in their own backyard.

That would be like an American fighter only fighting in his homestate. It doesn't lend enough credance to victories. (Granted both Kessler and Calzaghe have won a high percentage of their bouts by KO so they don't really need any hometown cooking now do they?)

So in order to appreciate world fighters, they need to be aggressive too. Touring the world scene, not just to the U.S. but everywhere they can. Most fighters don't simply because they do get scared of losing in someone elses yard by decision.

That to me makes the U.S. unique in that a lot of fights take place on nuetral grounds with judges that are not presuaded by the locale.

Watch the Calzaghe - Eubanke fight and you will see a young man (Calzaghe) who fought his way to become champion as a young fighter against a very tough opponent. I think I have heard Eubankes name mentioned with Roy Jones, Hopkins and many fighters from that time period.

What makes the Lacey bout such a legitimate spectical is the writers weren't wrong to say that Lacey was a good fighter, Lacey has faced a lot of good competition from fighters all over the U.S. and he had the pedigree to go with it.

That's not to say Beyer wasn't any good, but many thought Bika was beating him when their fight was stopped.

Though Calzaghe didn't look brilliant against Bika, he won the fight. And I would say he pretty much dominated the fight. He got off first, he was way faster in hand speed, and he clearly outboxed his opponent.

The problem was that Bika is a holder, he comes in with his head a lot (which changed the dynamic of the fight, cause Calzaghe was blasting him in the first rounds, notice Calzaghe gets cut by a head butt and it changes from there, he has to be more careful). Bika was wrestling and grabbing on a lot, he didn't want to box. The head butt that caused the cut, you can say it wasn't intentional but he came up awefully hard with it. He knew where Calzaghe's head was and just snapped right up into it.

I have seen some of Kesslers footage. He is quick with his 1-2, and his jab. But his combos are not as fast as Calzaghe's. Calzaghe has more hand speed. And his hooks I think pack more power than Kesslers. Kesslers straights are probably harder than Calzaghes. Both have one punch KO power.

Just cause Calzaghe doesn't look strong doesn't mean he isn't. Kessler looks built, but look at Bika. He was more built than Kessler, but Calzghe was able to wrestle with him most the match and be stronger most of the time.

Personally.

I think Calzaghe has more experience in level of competition. I think it has always been there, just no one bothered to look till he destroyed Lacy. I believe Calzaghe would win a fight with Kessler.

Calzaghe has other business though, he's looking to break out to the American public. And a Kessler match on Tape Delay doesn't help that, cause you will know who won before you ever watch it. (Thanks HBO for spoiling that in your broadcast back in march with the Jeff Lacy fight......bastar***)

It may happen. But I don't think it will in 2007.

[Guest]

Funny how you weren't making this complaint about all the fans Joe gained after his ONE fight with Lacy.

Jesus... "owned"? It's extraordinary how I make a thread about too many childish motifs in threads and you bring "owned" into the conversation, isn't it? You'll NEVER "own" me, Bozo - the only thing you'll "own" is Elton John's hand-me-down when he does an Ebay sale.

Besides, the issue is not to do with Joe's "overnight fans" as I'm SURE you know.

A bit like your sudden interest in Kessler, despite the fact that under any other circumstance you wouldn't give a **** about him.

All of a sudden Bozo is desperate for a unification bout when in March he was making threads about Calzaghe needing a wheelchair after the Lacy bout. Then when you excuse your bad call by saying Lacy didn't use a jab, this gets a classic No_No_Life transferance as you focus on Kessler's jab and build it up.

If you ask me, your motivations are wholly transparent and, to use your terminology, "spiteful". Or should that be Spyyytefulllllllll? It's hysterical how you'll start flaming anyone who asks a simple question about the opponents of a fighter you like (RJJ for example) yet you'll happily do exactly the same about Joe (which is different, in principle, how, exactly???) and use this match-up to deride him. Last March you couldn't give a **** about Calzaghe. Now a Kessler match-up seems to be your primary motivation. Strange that, huh?

Even your buddy the Juyster in the UK

Why the **** is he "my buddy"? Yet more of Bozo the cannuck prick's parochial bull****? I suppose Smokin' is "your buddy" too, right? I actually think it's HILARIOUS that one of the least cultured nations in the world thinks he can get on some imagined moral high ground with me on that score. I don't give a **** if this was your intention here or not... you've said this **** before, many times. MANY times.


Seriously... **** off out of my threads, I'm not interested in a single thing you have to say.

I anticipate a reply that includes one of the following:

* Saying that I've read your reply even though you're on ignore as if that's making a point

* Some BS about "hurt feelings" or telling me I post on two separate forums as if I don't know

* Posting up a picture from a mail order catalogue and pretending that it's me.

* Taking a sentence of my reply out of context and trying to make some "clever" remark with it, followed by: :lmao:

* Constant "I have to get the last word in" replies that go on and on and on for ten pages.

* Some big words that you clearly don't know the meaning of or how to spell, including wholly inappropriate usage of the term "ironic"

Seriously... NOT INTERESTED. You're just a worthless dumb ****. **** off.


Bozo a pair of silky sheets.

[Parody]

Anorak, why do you think Kessler-Calzaghe should'nt happen? both guys have the 2 belts, and it would be good for calzaghe's legacy, if he wins, he would be the first man ever to hold 4 titles in the super middleweight division.

Calzaghe should fight Kessler next, the Hopkins fight is a lose-lose situation for him, if he wins, he beat a faded 42 year old hopkins who came down from light heavyweight drained, if he loses, he lost to an old hopkins, etc etc etc...

Kessler fight would do him much better, he beat a young and stronger fighter who has good skills, lets bring it on in Feb, WBC,WBO,IBF,WBA titles on the line...it would be a big fight

[Guest]

Anorak, why do you think Kessler-Calzaghe should'nt happen? both guys have the 2 belts, and it would be good for calzaghe's legacy, if he wins, he would be the first man ever to hold 4 titles in the super middleweight division.

Calzaghe should fight Kessler next, the Hopkins fight is a lose-lose situation for him, if he wins, he beat a faded 42 year old hopkins who came down from light heavyweight drained, if he loses, he lost to an old hopkins, etc etc etc...

Kessler fight would do him much better, he beat a young and stronger fighter who has good skills, lets bring it on in Feb, WBC,WBO,IBF,WBA titles on the line...it would be a big fight

I NEVER said it shouldn't happen... I think it SHOULD.

I just get fed up of reading posts from ******* saying **** like "I saw one Kessler fight, so I want him to OWN that *** Calzaghe, LMAO, nuthugger, hatter, , silky sheets"

[Easy-E]

Who cares if Kessler has overnight fans?
Hes a Danish fighter who has rarley been shown in the US, if at all, and when people can see his dominating preformance over a champ and think he has a good shot to beat Joe, who had a lackluster preformance in his last fight.