Paul Williams Returns on Mayweather-Baldomir

[Hitman932]

Margarito is a ***** and ducking Paul.. but it's all good i wouldn't wanna fight williams either

this pretty much sums it up right here.

clottey is a bull**** opponent and everyone knows it.....

not because he is unworthy but because nobody gives a flying **** about him and casual fans arent going to bother to watch the fight, especially if you have to pay for such a stank ass turd of a title fight.

williams/margarito would be so much bigger, margarito proves he must like to have less fans, less television exposure and less money.... or wait maybe could he really be looking for less risk?

[Bozo_no no]

Clottey is a dangerous opponent. There is no shame in fighting him over Williams. Clottey is also a more proven fighter. It's true that he's not the mandatory, but it's still not an easy fight. I, too, believe he should've fought Williams, but Clottey is a very respectful fight.

As for Augustus, you keep saying he's never fought at WW when he's fought there at least TWICE. You're also ducking the issue that Augustus would thoroughly school Williams and expose him for what he is: green.

Clottey is NOT a more proven fighter than Williams, he's NOT ranked higher, and he's NOT as high profile.

Wrong on all counts.

Here's Augustus' record:

http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=006887

He hasn't fought at Welter once, and is up from 135.

I'm a huge Augustus fan, but he would not beat Williams. That's a huge size mismatch, and as has been thoroughly pointed out, it WOULDN'T HAPPEN.

[Bozo_no no]

Bo zo, just got schooled and

No, you looked to more bull **** to try and justify the bull **** you've been crying about, and just saw it get torn down as easilly as when you were spewing it.

You're a nut hugger, and the only reason you're posting is because you're upset Margarito ducked Paul Williams.

[PRboxingfan]

Clottey is NOT a more proven fighter than Williams, he's NOT ranked higher, and he's NOT as high profile.

Wrong on all counts.

Here's Augustus' record:

http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=006887

He hasn't fought at Welter once, and is up from 135.

I'm a huge Augustus fan, but he would not beat Williams. That's a huge size mismatch, and as has been thoroughly pointed out, it WOULDN'T HAPPEN.

You link to Augustus' record and fail to notice the following two fights:

2005-01-21 143 Dillon Carew 147
2005-07-08 144½ Ray Oliveira 152

Notice the opponent's weight. These two fights were contracted at WELTERWEIGHT. Ray Olivera came in 5 pounds over the limit and Augustus took the fight anyway. Any fight fought above 140 pounds (even if it's 140 1/4 pound) is actually fought at Welterweight. Any real fan of boxing knows this. That is the reason why a fighter cannot win a title when he is heavy at the weigh in; technically, he's fighting at the higher weight class.

Also, just because Augustus didn't come in at 147 doesn't mean he wasn't fighting at a contracted Welterweight fight. Just look at Trinidad or Hopkins who rutinely came in to their Middleweight fights 3 and 4 pounds under. Here is a good example: Hopkins 156 - Oscar De La Hoya 155 in their 2004 fight. Are you going to tell me the fight was not at Middleweight?

[PRboxingfan]

Also, about Clottey not being more proven than Williams, Williams only busted into the scene when he was showcased on HBO against Walter Matthysse. Before that, he'd fought a bunch of bums. Yes, he has Sharmba on his record, the same fighter everyone busts on PBF for fighting in his first WW fight. When he fought PBF he was called a bum but when he fought Williams everyone said he beat a great figther. You can't have it both ways.

Clottey's only loss came to Baldomir in a DQ that many considered to be unfair. He was CLEARLY winning and out-classing Baldi when the ref DQ'd him. He also has faced tougher opposition. He's only rated lower because of boxing politics. Williams was on nobody's radar before that Matthysse fight but Clottey was.

[Bozo_no no]

You link to Augustus' record and fail to notice the following two fights:

2005-01-21 143 Dillon Carew 147
2005-07-08 144½ Ray Oliveira 152

Notice the opponent's weight. These two fights were contracted at WELTERWEIGHT. Ray Olivera came in 5 pounds over the limit and Augustus took the fight anyway. Any fight fought above 140 pounds (even if it's 140 1/4 pound) is actually fought at Welterweight. Any real fan of boxing knows this. That is the reason why a fighter cannot win a title when he is heavy at the weigh in; technically, he's fighting at the higher weight class.

Also, just because Augustus didn't come in at 147 doesn't mean he wasn't fighting at a contracted Welterweight fight. Just look at Trinidad or Hopkins who rutinely came in to their Middleweight fights 3 and 4 pounds under. Here is a good example: Hopkins 156 - Oscar De La Hoya 155 in their 2004 fight. Are you going to tell me the fight was not at Middleweight?

I can't believe you spent that much time and effort trying to spin that much crap.

Both Olivera and Carew were far from natural Welterweights, which Paul Williams is. Augustus weighing over the Lt Welter limit doesn't make him a welterweight, nor does it show he'd move up to Welter and take a fight with a natural undefeated Welter like Williams.

Regardless, there's no money that would make that option fiesable, as has been mentioned over and over.

[Bozo_no no]

Also, about Clottey not being more proven than Williams, Williams only busted into the scene when he was showcased on HBO against Walter Matthysse. Before that, he'd fought a bunch of bums. Yes, he has Sharmba on his record, the same fighter everyone busts on PBF for fighting in his first WW fight. When he fought PBF he was called a bum but when he fought Williams everyone said he beat a great figther. You can't have it both ways.

Clottey's only loss came to Baldomir in a DQ that many considered to be unfair. He was CLEARLY winning and out-classing Baldi when the ref DQ'd him. He also has faced tougher opposition. He's only rated lower because of boxing politics. Williams was on nobody's radar before that Matthysse fight but Clottey was.

The point you're dancing around now is that any way you or anyone looks at it, Williams is the more attractive option, and the better fight.

You can try all you want to spin Clottey into a better opponent. No one's going to buy it. A disputed loss to Baldomir doesn't mean anything.

Does that make the NINE guys who DID beat him better opponents?

Clottey's had 11 fights since he fought Baldomir in 99.

Williams has had that many fights in the last two years, including wins over Matthysse and Mitchell in his last two fights, both which were on high profile HBO brodcasts.

Sorry, you have no point here.

Williams deserves the higher ranking, is the better prospect, and has more acclaim at present.

All things Margarito could use in a notch on his resume.

Add in the mandatory part, and it makes it look even suspect.

[ferocity]

No, you looked to more bull **** to try and justify the bull **** you've been crying about, and just saw it get torn down as easilly as when you were spewing it.

You're a nut hugger, and the only reason you're posting is because you're upset Margarito ducked Paul Williams.

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[USA4LIFE]

I have read this entire thread and have yet to read a post to challenge what Bozo is saying. I still think ppl and by ppl i mean marg fans don't get the difference between what Marg is doing and what Williams is doing. It seems that those on this thread who are defending Marg are hating williams for doing the right thing, fighting several times a year against decent fighters and fighting on big ppv cards and on HBO. Marg is only fighting all right fighters one a year and to my knowledge rarely televised. So I ask you, who would most likely be more noticed.......Williams b/c he is being promoted the right way and fighting the right opponents and challenging guys like Marg at this stage of his young career. Marg is the one who needs to step up big. If marg thinks he's so good he needs to suck it up take a pay cut (not a rediculous one) and fight a well known guy beat him and everyone will know who he is. Marg I think everyone can agree is a vet in boxing he should know how to get noticed in the boxing world, you can't expect to be like, "I think I'm the best give me money and a big fight" and expect to get it, it doesn't work that way. If and when they fight and if Williams wins he will be getting a title shot soon after which is what Marg should have done early in his career. Marg fans are jealouse b/c Williams is doing what Marg should have done early in his career.

[raymon123]

Clottey is a dangerous opponent. There is no shame in fighting him over Williams. Clottey is also a more proven fighter. It's true that he's not the mandatory, but it's still not an easy fight. I, too, believe he should've fought Williams, but Clottey is a very respectful fight.

As for Augustus, you keep saying he's never fought at WW when he's fought there at least TWICE. You're also ducking the issue that Augustus would thoroughly school Williams and expose him for what he is: green.

Lmao @ you saying augustus would school williams. How can a fighter with the record 33 wins and 27 losses that's right folks 27 losses for crying out loud is going to beat williams huh? lol 27 losses? damn jameel is a bum but how come he didn't get 27 losses? lol. Theres no way a fighter 27 losses will school undefeated mandatory challenger in williams. Aug is old and should retired. He already embarrassing himself with that disgrace record.