If Hatton Wants a War, the Enemy is Waiting.

[Neckodeemus]

[QUOTE=Left2body;1809217]

OMG some people are truly illogical when it comes down to there favorite fighters. Hatton or almost any fighter does not make weight 4 weeks before the fight.

If Hatton was making jrWW 4 weeks out then we would never see a weight gain between weight-in and fight time. Hatton gains 8-12 pounds between weight-in and fight time.

Is he putting on Muscle in those 24hrs, no the weight he gains is from rehydrating which means that he dehydrated (atleast to some extent). This proves that Hatton wasn't dehydrated for 4 damn weeks.

Now I dont think Hatton has had any trouble making weight in the past or forsee him having trouble in the immediate future but to say that he makes the jrWW limit 4 weeks out is pure, fanatical propaganda and homerism.

Actually no, he made welterweight as that is where, unless I am greatly mistaken, he fought Collazo and the discussion pertains to that fight and camp. We can look at this two ways, that photo, from two weeks prior to the fight shows him at welterweight where he settled early then consolidated his weight and also he must have been above LW before the fight due to the fact he was fighting at welterweight. He did not have a massive weight gain prior to this fight because, and again I hate to labour the point but we should at least be clear what division the guy was fighting in, he was at a higher weight.

To recap, he was at the weight four weeks out and consolidated at the weight. Look at that photo. He put muscle on beyond that, you could float the idea that he lost weight, if you would like to argue that maybe he cut off an ear or something because there was certainly no weight to be trimmed from his body at that point.

Also I am not a fan, I was around the camp for interviews so was privy to these things.

One last time, Hatton is not at JW four weeks before a fight, for this fight he was a welterweight and as mentioned by another poster was on the weight early.

[Left2body]

Actually no, he made welterweight as that is where, unless I am greatly mistaken, he fought Collazo and the discussion pertains to that fight and camp. We can look at this two ways, that photo, from two weeks prior to the fight shows him at welterweight where he settled early then consolidated his weight and also he must have been above LW before the fight due to the fact he was fighting at welterweight. He did not have a massive weight gain prior to this fight because, and again I hate to labour the point but we should at least be clear what division the guy was fighting in, he was at a higher weight.

To recap, he was at the weight four weeks out and consolidated at the weight. Look at that photo. He put muscle on beyond that, you could float the idea that he lost weight, if you would like to argue that maybe he cut off an ear or something because there was certainly no weight to be trimmed from his body at that point.

Also I am not a fan, I was around the camp for interviews so was privy to these things.

One last time, Hatton is not at JW four weeks before a fight, for this fight he was a welterweight and as mentioned by another poster was on the weight early.

Your seem to be very confused and you're all over the place on this thread. As you can see from some quotes below the contention that Geoffhayes was making and the one which you backed was that Hatton was at 140lbs 4 weeks prior to the fight and that Hatton had to scramble to put on weight.

You then contradict yourself with your last post??

The stand that many were using was as to the impact of the 5-6 weeks Hatton and his fans state that he had for preparation for the Collazo fight.

Floy Fan 2006 in a rebuttal to Geoffhayes writes:

no he didnt, basically your saying hatton was at 140lbs 4 weeks before the fight dead on weight

Geoffhayes replies with:

Yes he did.

You, Neckodeemus backed Geoffhayes preposterous claim with:

Yes he was, as Geoff stated. I started working out of camp Hatton four weeks or so beforehand and he was looking good at the weight.

Your contradicting yourself all over the place Necko.

But here let me clear up the facts for you. Hatton regular gains 8-12 pounds after weightin. Hence he is not at weight 4 weeks prior to camp. Hatton went up to 155-158 after weightin for the Collazo fight. When you gain that much weight after a weightin it proves you were not at weight 4 weeks prior to a fight.

[Neckodeemus]

Hello Left2body, I'm having to fly in and out here so I'll recap what I was trying to say.

I got the impression it was being said that 4 weeks prior to this fight Hatton was off the weight. He actually came down early for this fight and built himself up to the weight using nutrition and weights.

4 weeks away from collazo he would have been at the weight and two weeks prior, in the photos he was at the weight and building into it. I interviewed Kayes but unfortunately lost the tape, I was gutted about that so I am hoping to do a piece with a few peolpe on weight making and if it is good enough hopefully it will get on the site and be thrown up on the forum.

For LW I could not say where Ricky is weight wise 4 weeks prior. For Collazo I can say that he was right down and working his way into welterweight by gaining muscle. I went for four weeks right from my original post only to have it pushed to five weeks.

As I say at welterweight, as I understand making weight was no problem, he was built into the weight. I'd say at LW 11-12 lbs is the figure. The Collazo boost shows that he went back to the higher weight minus the weight he was carrying for that fight.

People talk about Hatton's weight a lot, my only comment in regards to the speculation is that he trains like a monster and has no issues making the weight division at LW.

Cheers.

[Left2body]

Hello Left2body, I'm having to fly in and out here so I'll recap what I was trying to say.

I got the impression it was being said that 4 weeks prior to this fight Hatton was off the weight. He actually came down early for this fight and built himself up to the weight using nutrition and weights.

4 weeks away from collazo he would have been at the weight and two weeks prior, in the photos he was at the weight and building into it. I interviewed Kayes but unfortunately lost the tape, I was gutted about that so I am hoping to do a piece with a few peolpe on weight making and if it is good enough hopefully it will get on the site and be thrown up on the forum.

For LW I could not say where Ricky is weight wise 4 weeks prior. For Collazo I can say that he was right down and working his way into welterweight by gaining muscle. I went for four weeks right from my original post only to have it pushed to five weeks.

As I say at welterweight, as I understand making weight was no problem, he was built into the weight. I'd say at LW 11-12 lbs is the figure. The Collazo boost shows that he went back to the higher weight minus the weight he was carrying for that fight.

People talk about Hatton's weight a lot, my only comment in regards to the speculation is that he trains like a monster and has no issues making the weight division at LW.

Cheers.

OK, now I understand what you were trying to say. I can understand and believe that, Hatton was packing on muscle the last few weeks of camp since he was coming up in weight.

As to Hatton's training and weight issues, I have never doubted that Hatton can continue to make weight at 140lbs I have also heard from someone I trust that he is a workout beast.

[Neckodeemus]

OK, now I understand what you were trying to say. I can understand and believe that, Hatton was packing on muscle the last few weeks of camp since he was coming up in weight.

As to Hatton's training and weight issues, I have never doubted that Hatton can continue to make weight at 140lbs I have also heard from someone I trust that he is a workout beast.

Yeah, I think we were at cross-purposes there

When I do the nutritrion thing I'll scan through this strand again and see what questions it throws up.

[El Jesus]

Fans tend to get blindly excited when they see a "Great" fighter have a bit of trouble with his opposition: Castillo gave him a tougher fight than expected so the fans were shocked and fell for the underdog...even if Castillo lost the fight, in the fans mind, they needed to add some drama to the fight, they needed to believe that the "Underdog" (which represents them), won the fight.

People see what they want...our "Eye" or "Camera", can block out the full truth, editing what we want to see

Alot of those punches just simply didint land, think about the numbers people post from Compubox, if Floyd got hit that many times, with that many power shots, dont you think he would have hit the goddamn canvas? Alot of those shots grazed/blocked/rolled off of floyds shoulders. Looking at the fight again, in all honesty i think it was the 11th round that floyd decided he really needed to show something to the judges because maybe deep in his mind he was losing the fight. Him going toe to toe with Castillo like that probably got him the victory.

[El Jesus]

Then you do admit that Samuel Peter beat Toney, right?

Samuel Beat james Toney on record, i dont agree but thats what the official scoring is. In the end i believe that Toney won, however i cant sit here and say that Toney "beat peter so he should use that as leverage in his legacy" thats bull**** because the records dont say so. Which is why rematches tell the real story.

[Abe Attell]

Alot of those punches just simply didint land, think about the numbers people post from Compubox, if Floyd got hit that many times, with that many power shots, dont you think he would have hit the goddamn canvas? Alot of those shots grazed/blocked/rolled off of floyds shoulders. Looking at the fight again, in all honesty i think it was the 11th round that floyd decided he really needed to show something to the judges because maybe deep in his mind he was losing the fight. Him going toe to toe with Castillo like that probably got him the victory.

Who said I thought Castillo won the fight?

All I said was that people perceive the same fight differently...you just made my point: You say that those shots "grazed/blocked/rolled off of Floyd's shoulders"...others will say every shot landed, especially those that get excited because they didn't expect this type of fight...You see my point?


People always seem to make a bigger deal out of an event...take Ali vs Wepner...When I was a kid all heard was that how the movie "Rocky" was inspired by this guy named Wepner, who "took it to" Ali...then years later when I got a chance to see the fight I didn't get it....I thought, "This is the Great fight people are talking about"...Seems everybody forgets the constant rabbit punching by Wepner or that fact that he got knocked out...and for the knock down of Ali, not that big of a deal. Lets also remember that Ali wasn't even in his prime

[El Jesus]

Who said I thought Castillo won the fight?

All I said was that people perceive the same fight differently...you just made my point: You say that those shots "grazed/blocked/rolled off of Floyd's shoulders"...others will say every shot landed, especially those that get excited because they didn't expect this type of fight...You see my point?

..I was agreeing with you and adding to your argument, dont worry.

[Abe Attell]

..I was agreeing with you and adding to your argument, dont worry.

oh, lol.....