Y'all musta forgot

You geeky old bastard always criticizing Roy Jones for what he has not done in his career. Tell me if Benn and Eubank actually has beaten any great fighter at all.

Why are you mentioning Benn and Eubank? Have I mentioned them? What caused you to bring them up?

And again - WATCH THE NAME CALLING.

People under the delusion that Roy never fought anybody and ducked DM.
Dont get your panties in a bunch.

I thought you were quite an intelligent poster, just misguided. But now after "hater", you follow up with a bland, generic put down like "don't (without the apostrophe in your case) get your panties in a bunch". ****, that's LAME.

Maybe what you need to appreciate and understand is that there's a middleground between a "hater who doesn't think Roy fought anybody and ducked DM" and "nuthugger who thinks Roy's opponents were first rate". A kind of objective, three-dimensional viewpoint on a boxer's career that doesn't have to rely on cartoonish, childish subjective takes on said boxer.

1.Anorak explain how floyd is overated

Don't get me wrong, I like Floyd (as a boxer, anyway) but want to see him step up.

I mean, to take one recent example, the P4P #1 (which is a meaningless stat anyway) beat Sharmba Mitchell in six rounds. But although styles make fights, I just saw Williams do it in four and Costa Zoo do it in two. So why aren't those guys in P4P? (I'm not seriously suggesting they should be, you understand...)

It seems that when people talk about Floyd's achievements they have to go back to 2002 and beyond. And for a fighter with such natural talent then spending his career beating up the likes of Arturo Gatti and saying it makes him a "champ" in another weightclass really is a crying shame.

[Shanus]

Don't get me wrong, I like Floyd (as a boxer, anyway) but want to see him step up.

I mean, to take one recent example, the P4P #1 (which is a meaningless stat anyway) beat Sharmba Mitchell in six rounds. But although styles make fights, I just saw Williams do it in four and Costa Zoo do it in two. So why aren't those guys in P4P? (I'm not seriously suggesting they should be, you understand...)

It seems that when people talk about Floyd's achievements they have to go back to 2002 and beyond. And for a fighter with such natural talent then spending his career beating up the likes of Arturo Gatti and saying it makes him a "champ" in another weightclass really is a crying shame.

I put Floyd in the same boat as Roy, he's living off his past accomplishments in the same way Roy did, if a fighter becomes P4P#1 respectably, but takes the easy way out, ducking and diving certain fighters (Either out of fear or greed) but still remains undefeated, it seems as though people allow them to remain P4P #1.

It shouldn't be like that.

I put Floyd in the same boat as Roy, he's living off his past accomplishments in the same way Roy did, if a fighter becomes P4P#1 respectably, but takes the easy way out, ducking and diving certain fighters (Either out of fear or greed) but still remains undefeated, it seems as though people allow them to remain P4P #1.

It shouldn't be like that.

I think people seem to have forgot that Floyd is kind of the default P4P #1 anyway... he was labouring around the top 3/top 5 for some time, but when Bernard slipped The Ring needed a name to go up there. It wasn't really his accomplishments that put him up there (though I think they hung it on the Gatti performance) but another fighter falling.

[Shanus]

I think people seem to have forgot that Floyd is kind of the default P4P #1 anyway... he was labouring around the top 3/top 5 for some time, but when Bernard slipped The Ring needed a name to go up there. It wasn't really his accomplishments that put him up there (though I think they hung it on the Gatti performance) but another fighter falling.

Even after the Castillo performances, Jones and Hopkins were both being infront of him. (And possibly Mosley, though I'm unsure)

And the fact being that he hasn't fought much competition since (Excluding Judah), he still remains P4P#1.

Does that say something about the state of boxing today? Possibly, but will anybody question it? No, he has too many fans.

[PATO 1]

I put Floyd in the same boat as Roy, he's living off his past accomplishments in the same way Roy did, if a fighter becomes P4P#1 respectably, but takes the easy way out, ducking and diving certain fighters (Either out of fear or greed) but still remains undefeated, it seems as though people allow them to remain P4P #1.

It shouldn't be like that.

i dont know how you can say that

he was ready to fight oscar de la hoya last september, ready to fight mosley Last year and again in November

He has 2wice been ducked by Ricky Hatton

he is fighting the undisputed champ who is comin off a knockout win over gatti and a win over zab judah

whos he duckedd

[shellroc513]

Roy Jones was the truth. PERIOD Look at some of his fights, their will never be another like him. Hell floyd Dosen't even compare. Sorry folks. I'm not going to get into another argument about it. the proof is in the Tapes. I'm out Roy haters, and pbb nut huggers. Roy is like puff and Nas "U can hate me now, but I wont stop now, I wont ever stop !" BITCHES ! I hope he goes back on top again and retires, will it happen ? 40/60 y-n BITCHES

[Shanus]

i dont know how you can say that

he was ready to fight oscar de la hoya last september, ready to fight mosley Last year and again in November

He has 2wice been ducked by Ricky Hatton

he is fighting the undisputed champ who is comin off a knockout win over gatti and a win over zab judah

whos he duckedd

I'm not going to turn this into a Margarito thread.

He was going to fight Delahoya for the money, and the fact that he knows he can beat him, who wouldn't? Oscar is not a threat to Floyd anymore. (Let's face it, he's a promoter now)

Excluding his last win, Shane Mosley hasn't looked good for 4-5 years, it would have been a big fight because of Mosleys past accomplishments, though I do still think he has a bigger chance than most, but when Floyd did call him out.. nobody thought he did.

[PATO 1]

Roy Jones was the truth. PERIOD Look at some of his fights, their will never be another like him. Hell floyd Dosen't even compare. Sorry folks. I'm not going to get into another argument about it. the proof is in the Tapes. I'm out Roy haters, and pbb nut huggers. Roy is like puff and Nas "U can hate me now, but I wont stop now, I wont ever stop !" BITCHES ! I hope he goes back on top again and retires, will it happen ? 40/60 y-n BITCHES

Roy Jones - Toney,Hopkins,Tarver,Hill,Ruiz

Floyd - Genaro Hernandez,Carlos Hernandez,Goyo Vargas,Angel Manfredy.Diego Corrales,Jesus Chavez,Jose Luis Castillo,Zab Judah