Mike Tyson: "I'm No 'Iron Mike' Anymore"

[HEAVYWEIGHT BOX]

After destroying your first arguement, I feel bad for destoying your second. But it has to be done.

Tyson was TINY. Even for his height he was small - he only weighed about 239lbs, at his HEAVIEST! BOWE: Looked fat as **** at 250! A big man does not look fat as **** at 250!

I am a MIDGET - 5'11, but I have been as high as 330lbs.

And guess what, I didn't look NEARLY as FAT as a 6'5 BOWE did at the tiny weight 250lbs! My stomach was bloated, but the size of my chest mirrored it. I just looked like a "strong man" (people said) at that weight.

If you look out of shape at 252 (I say 252 because that is the 18 stone mark - the mark of a big guy), you are a SMALL man.

End of Story.

When I am in great shape (six pack and all), I weigh 258lbs.

And I realize that I am VERY SMALL, in height and in weight.

PS. I DO NOT BODYBUILD!

If I BODYBUILDED, I would be a RIPPED 295lbs.

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Don't be daft - Tyson could win in a very small man's era, but he never had what it took to be a street fighter (size).

Please disregard this post folks.

It's so ****** and incorrect in like fifty ways.



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[The Noose]

Tyson was TINY. Even for his height he was small

220lbs isnt small for 5'11.

[HEAVYWEIGHT BOX]

220lbs isnt small for 5'11.

Tyson was more like 5'9 and 3 quarters.

But as I say, I am only a TINY 5'11 and weigh a pretty small 258lbs when I am RIPPED (when out of shape I am about 330lbs).

So, surely a PRO should weigh FAR MORE than me. No? After all, he can work out when he pleases.

My weight is Tiny, so 220lbs at 5'10 is anorexic.

Case closed.

[Run]

Tyson was more like 5'9 and 3 quarters.

But as I say, I am only a TINY 5'11 and weigh a pretty small 258lbs when I am RIPPED (when out of shape I am about 330lbs).

So, surely a PRO should weigh FAR MORE than me. No? After all, he can work out when he pleases.

My weight is Tiny, so 220lbs at 5'10 is anorexic.

Case closed.

Case Closed.



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[Abe Attell]

Tyson was more like 5'9 and 3 quarters.

But as I say, I am only a TINY 5'11 and weigh a pretty small 258lbs when I am RIPPED (when out of shape I am about 330lbs).

So, surely a PRO should weigh FAR MORE than me. No? After all, he can work out when he pleases.

My weight is Tiny, so 220lbs at 5'10 is anorexic.

Case closed.

Now I know why you have a problem with guys like Tyson, jealousy and delusion...you think just because you are "bigger" that you could beat him up WOW, what a joke...you know little about fighting then.

If "Size" was the key, every steroid bodybuilder would be able to compete for the Heavyweight Championship.

You mentioned Bob Sapp, why not just go into boxing and win the title?


How about steroids???? You have Ronnie on your avatar, is that because you like him or are mocking his appearence?
I don't like modern day bodybuilders because they are frauds

Do you think you can beat up Tyson, Foreman, Liston, etc.?

[HEAVYWEIGHT BOX]

Now I know why you have a problem with guys like Tyson, jealousy and delusion...you think just because you are "bigger" that you could beat him up WOW, what a joke...you know little about fighting then.

If "Size" was the key, every steroid bodybuilder would be able to compete for the Heavyweight Championship.

You mentioned Bob Sapp, why not just go into boxing and win the title?


How about steroids???? You have Ronnie on your avatar, is that because you like him or are mocking his appearence?
I don't like modern day bodybuilders because they are frauds

Do you think you can beat up Tyson, Foreman, Liston, etc.?

I am a good fighter - but nothing like Tyson.

I have only been fighting for 6 months. I could probably make something of myself if I was FORCED, but I am not FORCED. I have other ways of making an excellent living.

If Tyson attacked me on the street, I would try to GRAB him, and take him to the floor, using my Judo and wrestling skills.

If he landed punches on me, he would wreck me.

But, I would TRY to avoid that (there are ways of avoiding punches you know) and do my best to utilize my strength and size against Tyson.

Would it work? Who knows?

Why do you call bodybuilders frauds? They are BETTER at building the body today than they ever were in the past.

PS. Sapp offered to fight Mike in boxing - Mike chickened out.

AND ANYWAY, why should he fight in boxing. He now likes to fight in anything goes matches.

In boxing you can't utilize your strength that much, so Sapp (who is a BIG celebrity in Japan and makes millions) does not LIMIT himself to boxing.

[Abe Attell]

"Frauds"...you don't need steroids...it's disappointing because there are a lot, even those that are on roids, that dedicate a lot of time in the gym, studying about how to improve and keep the body healthy, but in todays bodybuilding world, it seems if you aren't on steroids you can't compete, that is a shame.


I am not against steroids, just when it is supposed to be a "sport"...they don't belong in competition where it is supposed to celebrate the human ability...having a chemist create a supplement to get you bigger doesn't count

[HEAVYWEIGHT BOX]

"Frauds"...you don't need steroids...it's disappointing because there are a lot, even those that are on roids, that dedicate a lot of time in the gym, studying about how to improve and keep the body healthy, but in todays bodybuilding world, it seems if you aren't on steroids you can't compete, that is a shame.


I am not against steroids, just when it is supposed to be a "sport"...they don't belong in competition where it is supposed to celebrate the human ability...having a chemist create a supplement to get you bigger doesn't count

It would be very ****** for a bodybuilder not to take steroids, but he is not the brightest of men. So it is not a given that he takes them. After all, he has been bodybuilding for YEARS. YEARS! So of course he is going to have a big body.

And anyway, things progress. Back in the caveman days of Dempsay and Louis, they thought that lifting weights was "sourcery"!

We have better diets now (why we didn't have them in the past is beyond me - it is not rocket science!).

Is taking basic supplements like Whey and Creatine "cheating"? Of course not.

So let them take steroids.

[Abe Attell]

It would be very ****** for a bodybuilder not to take steroids, but he is not the brightest of men. So it is not a given that he takes them. After all, he has been bodybuilding for YEARS. YEARS! So of course he is going to have a big body.

And anyway, things progress. Back in the caveman days of Dempsay and Louis, they thought that lifting weights was "sourcery"!

We have better diets now (why we didn't have them in the past is beyond me - it is not rocket science!).

Is taking basic supplements like Whey and Creatine "cheating"? Of course not.

So let them take steroids.

Back in the caveman days of Dempsay and Louis, they thought that lifting weights was "sourcery"!

lol

Is taking basic supplements like Whey and Creatine "cheating"? Of course not.

So let them take steroids

"Whey" comes from dairy protein, heated down to powder...you don't have to drink protein shakes, it is just more of a convenience...though some people have to take the liquid shakes because their body is not capable of breaking down food, but that is another discussion.

"Steroids/hormones" that are not created by your body that you inject for the benefit of improving your capability/performance, to compete or gain an advantage over another athlete is not right. At one time, nobody was using steroids, it was about "Fair" competition...then steroids are taken by a team of athletes because they saw the great effects it had on their performance and they wanted the advantage to win...this started the ball rolling: anybody that knew the great effects of steroids, knew that whoever wasn't taking them had a disadvantage...it was no longer about who worked the hardest, who had the best genes, it was about how much you took, and what your chemist came up with for a better formula.

The debate however goes on because what is "Fair"...athletes since the ancient times have always tried to gain the upper edge on the competition...if it was taking caffeine, eating animal testicles, certain herbs, etc., not having your competition taking the same, it could be "unfair".

Steroids, just has to much effect on performance, just look at the history of the modern Olympics...from the Russians destroying the competition in weightlifting, to the dominance of the East Germans, to Ben Johnson cruising past Carl Lewis.


Of course, the other side to this is to say that if someone does not want to lift weights does that mean nobody should be allowed.

Allowing Athletes to use steroids to boost performance will have an effect on the youth of our society: kids under 18 will look to boost their performance out of insecurity, and may hurt their body...steroids can be used for kids that don't have the ability to produce their own, or have little, but that is different, and for another day to discuss.

It would be very ****** for a bodybuilder not to take steroids, but he is not the brightest of men. So it is not a given that he takes them. After all, he has been bodybuilding for YEARS. YEARS! So of course he is going to have a big body.

It would be ******, agree...how is a guy that doesn't take steroids going to compete with someone that does...the case for "Athletes" tend to differ, since you can still get away with not taking them in certain sports and competing with those that do.



The debate is long and goes back and forth, but it is more about tradition and safety:
for instance, in boxing or even football, if steroids are proven to increase power/strength, and a hit is much harder than what would have been previous, it becomes dangerous...imgaine if there is a drug that enables a boxer to hit like a gorilla, that would be a slight problem would it not?

So it is not a given that he takes them. After all, he has been bodybuilding for YEARS. YEARS! So of course he is going to have a big body.

Certain people do have great "genetics", and there are people with overly active Pituitary gland, but when it comes to the "bodyuilding world", its not much of a secret when discussing steroids...there are many that are open about it, but for rules/laws, they watch their step.


Bodybuilding is not a new phenomenon: Ancient Greeks lifted weights and new of proper nutrition...in the 20th century many bodybuilders new the benefits to lifting and eating correctly.

It was more about "Natural Selection" for why people comepted...to show of the male ability to the females in order to get the best women for mating.
When you use steroids, it prevents the female or male, from knowing what the body's own natural capabilities are...

Of course soon there is probably going to be a definite way of altering your genes to imporve them, so...