Mike Tyson: "I'm No 'Iron Mike' Anymore"

[HEAVYWEIGHT BOX]

He only wanted to do that when the other fighter couldn't do it back to him.

Yes, you are 100% correct.

[HEAVYWEIGHT BOX]

Mitch was also a former gang memeber so don't tell me this guy wasn't a tough person.

Oh< a Gang member? S-C-A-R-Y!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not!

Most guys of his type get into gang lifestyle.

Listen, BILL GATES, could be a hard core gangster if he wanted to be.

All you need is a gun and a few "hommies".

Pathetic.

Guys who come from a ******, are ill equiped to deal with real street fighters.

For a start. they are anorexic.

Don't believe me?

Well, look at 2pac, Jay-z, Naz, DMX etc.

These guys are FRAIL, due to the fact that they could not possibly get there hands on even baby food. AND GENETICS.

In other words, they are grade A sissies.

A rich guy who has been well nourished will destroy and ****** guy.

And even if the ****** guy got the upper hand, he would be SHOT DEAD.

[Franko]

OK, you don't think that it is relevant.

But I shall tell you why it is.

Tyson was called "The baddest man on the planet".

Now, whilst UFC was not well established at that time, UFC fighters did exist.

Even the BUMS of UFC would have taken Tyson out in seconds.

BADDEST MAN ON THE PLANET. Ha!

I think not.

'The baddest man on the planet!' That's just a part of boxing my friend! Do you seriously think that Tyson walked around claiming that he was really the baddest man on the planet? For an obvious example; Ali once claimed 'I am the greatest!' long before he could seriously claim to being so. It was a big part of his act to get him recognised, and to put bums on seats if you will. At one time Mike Tyson was certainly the best heavyweight boxer on the planet but you should never take everything so literally IMO, such as 'the baddest man on the planet!' By claiming the bums of the UFC 'would have taken Tyson' is a bit childish IMO. It's like arguing whether Bruce Lee would take Sonny Liston or something along those lines... it's nonsense. I come on this forum to discuss boxing.

[HEAVYWEIGHT BOX]

educate myself? you r the onw who said there should be more clinching in boxing, to favor the "big men" because according to you all small men would lose to big men in a real fight.

I see you have completely ducked the question

[Abe Attell]

Oh< a Gang member? S-C-A-R-Y!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not!

Most guys of his type get into gang lifestyle.

Listen, BILL GATES, could be a hard core gangster if he wanted to be.

All you need is a gun and a few "hommies".

Pathetic.

Guys who come from a ******, are ill equiped to deal with real street fighters.

For a start. they are anorexic.

Don't believe me?

Well, look at 2pac, Jay-z, Naz, DMX etc.

These guys are FRAIL, due to the fact that they could not possibly get there hands on even baby food. AND GENETICS.

In other words, they are grade A sissies.

A rich guy who has been well nourished will destroy and ****** guy.

And even if the ****** guy got the upper hand, he would be SHOT DEAD.

Yes, there are a lot of "Gang members" that are skinny, little, gun waiving, crack heads, but not all...there are or at least were those that when you have to settle a problem between yourself and another, it is one on one, and nobody, no matter what, is aloud to step in...you simply walked away after somebody is knocked out.

and yes, I hate the street thugs too

2pac, Jay-z, Naz, DMX

Lol, you just named a bunch of rappers that are supposed to "represent" the entire "streets"

...kids in gangs go to the Marines in order to learn how to fight and shoot a gun, then come home, teach others, and start their life of crime.

A rich guy who has been well nourished will destroy and ****** guy.

These guys are FRAIL, due to the fact that they could not possibly get there hands on even baby food. AND GENETICS

Yes, beacause we all know the "Rich" guys make up the majority of the MMA fighters, boxers, NFL, and military

If you want to talk about "Genetics", African Americans tend to have pretty dam good genes for athletics...you need proof, they are called the "minority", yet there are a lot that are Pro level athletes.

How many "Rich" guys with their "Genetics" have been Heavyweight Champion of the World?

How about great baseball players? can the numbers compare

The majority of the great athletes are not "Rich" guys.

Bo Jackson is one of my all time favorite athletes and he was not born rich. I could see how you would think he is "skinny" and has poor genes

The problem with some of these "******" kids is that some have no care in the world what happens, and are willing to kill somebody...it is not ment to be a "Gangsta" statement either, it is the sad truth. When you have an attitude that there might not be a tomorrow, and you do not have anything to lose, you can tend not to care about others.

Oh< a Gang member? S-C-A-R-Y!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not!

It's not about being scared of them, as to having to keep your guard up. You said they all carry guns, well, if that guy has a gun pointed to your head, you might not care, but if he has a gun pointed to your little daughter or son, you might start to, or not, depends on who you are and the situation.
For the most part, it used to be about just getting robbed and that was it, now it seems you are going to get robbed and shot so it is better just to fight back if you feel that's how it is going to end up.

The "Norm" tend to be shaken very easily




I can't stand criminals, both rich and poor.

[Abe Attell]

Bingo.

Richard Simmons could have been a great "gang member".

Itis my belief, that people who have to go through terrible hardships, are very weak people deep down.

Yes, part of it is a weakness, and no it is not all about weakness either...sometimes the "hardship" is dumped on you...I guess it is on how you perceive things, but getting thrown into a "******", forced to wear a symbol that is supposed to seperate you from others to make you feel less human than everyone else, having force used to prevent you from living a healthy lifestyle, then your family killed, that can be viewed as harsh and having to go through "terrible hardship"...the people that go through this, if they can't deal with it, are they "weak"? maybe, but how many have to be tested on this level, how many if tested on this level would be able to continue on with strength and pride?





What is your interpretation of "gang member"?
Some would say that some in the Business World, Military, Government, etc. could be put in this category

[Abe Attell]

OK, you don't think that it is relevant.

But I shall tell you why it is.

Tyson was called "The baddest man on the planet".

Now, whilst UFC was not well established at that time, UFC fighters did exist.

Even the BUMS of UFC would have taken Tyson out in seconds.

BADDEST MAN ON THE PLANET. Ha!

I think not.

But can they box?

Why not make some money in boxing?

How much money does the top guy get in MMA?

can it compare to how much Tyson, Lewis, Delahoya, etc. have made?

[Abe Attell]

alot of times people are in gangs because they are NOT Tough and need backup. most gang Members are Cowards

yes, true... toughness and people in gangs don't go completely together, and should be taken more on an individual bases instead...gangs tend not to fight one on one battles, they implore the 2 (or more) to 1 method...it might not be "manly", but it is a strategy used by others that are not viewed as "gang members"


An article I read about Mitch Green was that he tended not to use the method I described above, and liked to fight people on the streets one on one, thus the reason why he liked boxing...I am not sure how true it is, but it does seperate him from the "norm".
What also seperates kids that are usually in "gangs" are that they are more likely to kill you then the every day "Joe". Now that can show a "weakness" for never learning to not use harm to your fellow man, or it can be viewed as a strength since not everyone has the ability to kill.

The majority of people tend to be "Cowards"

So, I correct myself for not seperating the person from the group..."toughness" is the measurement of how much punishment/hardship you can absorb and continue to fight back till the end.

[HEAVYWEIGHT BOX]

Yes, there are a lot of "Gang members" that are skinny, little, gun waiving, crack heads, but not all...there are or at least were those that when you have to settle a problem between yourself and another, it is one on one, and nobody, no matter what, is aloud to step in...you simply walked away after somebody is knocked out.

and yes, I hate the street thugs too



Lol, you just named a bunch of rappers that are supposed to "represent" the entire "streets"

...kids in gangs go to the Marines in order to learn how to fight and shoot a gun, then come home, teach others, and start their life of crime.






Yes, beacause we all know the "Rich" guys make up the majority of the MMA fighters, boxers, NFL, and military

If you want to talk about "Genetics", African Americans tend to have pretty dam good genes for athletics...you need proof, they are called the "minority", yet there are a lot that are Pro level athletes.

How many "Rich" guys with their "Genetics" have been Heavyweight Champion of the World?

How about great baseball players? can the numbers compare

The majority of the great athletes are not "Rich" guys.

Bo Jackson is one of my all time favorite athletes and he was not born rich. I could see how you would think he is "skinny" and has poor genes

The problem with some of these "******" kids is that some have no care in the world what happens, and are willing to kill somebody...it is not ment to be a "Gangsta" statement either, it is the sad truth. When you have an attitude that there might not be a tomorrow, and you do not have anything to lose, you can tend not to care about others.




It's not about being scared of them, as to having to keep your guard up. You said they all carry guns, well, if that guy has a gun pointed to your head, you might not care, but if he has a gun pointed to your little daughter or son, you might start to, or not, depends on who you are and the situation.
For the most part, it used to be about just getting robbed and that was it, now it seems you are going to get robbed and shot so it is better just to fight back if you feel that's how it is going to end up.

The "Norm" tend to be shaken very easily




I can't stand criminals, both rich and poor.

1) I didn't say that rich guys turn into the best athleates - I said that they are best equiped to deal with a street fight because of their background. They also have good genetics, because generally, rich guys are sensible. They don't have kids before they have achieved their OWN life goals (maybe they will have kids at 45-50 with a very young woman.) and they pick a woman with excellent genetics - not the first female BUM who walks into their lives like some people

I did Jigga a disservice metioning him. He is a guy to look up to. Great Ho bagger, didn't get tied down in a relationship or have kids. ( he is with Beyonce now, and although he ****s other women right left and centre, he waited until he was 40+ to get commited. Not bad for someone of his background)

2) I don't have kids, and don't plan on ever having them. They cost a lot of money and toruble and can make you depressed.

So, how can somebody putting a gun to my son's head bother me.


Consider yourself SCHOOLED.

[Abe Attell]

1) I didn't say that rich guys turn into the best athleates - I said that they are best equiped to deal with a street fight because of their background. They also have good genetics, because generally, rich guys are sensible. They don't have kids before they have achieved their OWN life goals (maybe they will have kids at 45-50 with a very young woman.) and they pick a woman with excellent genetics - not the first female BUM who walks into their lives like some people

I did Jigga a disservice metioning him. He is a guy to look up to. Great Ho bagger, didn't get tied down in a relationship or have kids. ( he is with Beyonce now, and although he ****s other women right left and centre, he waited until he was 40+ to get commited. Not bad for someone of his background)

2) I don't have kids, and don't plan on ever having them. They cost a lot of money and toruble and can make you depressed.

So, how can somebody putting a gun to my son's head bother me.


Consider yourself SCHOOLED.

The people in the "******" aren't usually small people at all...the eat high calorie, high protein, high saturated fat foods, while having to work labor jobs that build the muslce...same diet was used for ******...maybe it is a "conspiracy" that McDonalds has this type of nutrition value, I don't know

You do know Tyson, Bowe, Briggs, come from the same neighborhod...yes, I can see where you might see that they are small compared to the wealthy

I said that they are best equiped to deal with a street fight because of their background

I am still not sure exactly what you mean?
Do you mean they are just smart enough to not get into a street-fight, just avoid the ******?

They don't have kids before they have achieved their OWN life goals (maybe they will have kids at 45-50 with a very young woman.) and they pick a woman with excellent genetics - not the first female BUM who walks into their lives like some people

I agree with a person must reach his goals before getting a women knocked up...I don't understand it either...there was a study though that said it is still better for both a male and a female to have a child while they are still in their 20's, while they are at their peak for hormone levels...the ***** is strongest in your 20's, then starts to slowly decline...it doesn't mean if you have a kid at 45+ that your swimmers aren't strong enough to pass on your genes, but they just aren't quite as strong...it is good to have a younger women though.

I don't have kids, and don't plan on ever having them. They cost a lot of money and toruble and can make you depressed.

So, how can somebody putting a gun to my son's head bother me.

It was just a way of trying to get you to think about more than just yourself...people that wouldn't usually give two ****s about thier own mortality, might think twice if it is the lives of their children on the line...if you die, and your young kids die too, it means you were not able to pass on your genes, meaning, you are a failure in the eyes of nature.