Could ray Robinson KO Hagler?

[Easy-E]

Robinson had a fantastic chin.

No. Hagler had a fantastic chin.
Robinson had a decent chin, and fantastic recovery time.

[Tha Greatest]

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Actully Hagler was KD'd before, but he wasnt hurt. It was more of a flash kd.
I think it was Willie Monroe who dropped him, but im not sure about that.

I highly doubt it, man.

But he has never been hurt...
Robinson has a very good chin too, but not comparable to Haglers..

[THE REAL NINJA]

Most ppl have said that the Hagler knockdown was a slip I've never seen it can anyone tell me for sure ?

[K-DOGG]

No. Hagler had a fantastic chin.
Robinson had a decent chin, and fantastic recovery time.

Never being knocked out in over 200 fights over a 25 year career speaks for itself...

[TonyRingside]

Hagler was not a god and benefited greatly from a less than excellent Middleweight division.

what do you mean less than excellant middleweight division? leonard,hearns,& duran. yeah they're definately less than excellent fighters.

[wmute]

What it means is yes, I know Robinson's prime was at welterweight and yes, I know Robins was knocked down; but knocking a fighter down isn't the same as knocking him out.

Lamotta is a perfect reference because of his chin, as is Fulmer; and Duran is a relevant point as well, seeing as how Robinson was a faster, stronger, more elusive target than was Duran. Hearns blased Duran out in 2...Hagler won a close decision over 15 over the same man, yet Hagler stopped Hearns in 3 because whiskers are part of the equation as much as style....and Robinson had both.

While I will concede to the REAL NINJA's perfectly legitimate point that either man could have knocked out the other....the evidence is that Robinson would be the one doing the knocking out.

Robinson fought bigger men than himself on a regular basis in his prime as a Welterweight; and beat them...stopping many, and was never stopped himself in over 200 bouts and fighting the #1 contender at age 45 before he retired in 1965. The Robinson who you referenced as being dropped "frequently", was not the "prime" Robinson, yet he still was never stopped....and that's in over three times as many bouts as Hagler and 12 years past his 33rd birthday.

Odds are Hagler wouldn't have been as successful had he continued on for that period of time in not being stopped seeing as how the evidence of his decline was clear in the Leonard fight.

If you take the two at their best, anything could happen, it's true; but Hagler lost to slicksters Willie Monroe and (can't remember the other guy's name at the moment); and Robinson was a far slicker boxer and far more dangerous puncher than either of them.

LaMotta was a great Middleweight as well; and to say he doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Hagler denotes your bias and lack of learning. Was he as good? Not in my opinion; but he was indeed great...so great that he was avoided on the way up....and he beat bigger men as well.

Hagler was not a god and benefited greatly from a less than excellent Middleweight division.

kd different from ko? no ****

if you concede realninja's point, why did you write as if he could have NOT known that robinson was only stopped by heat in his entire career.

anyway's back to your post

robinson was dropped in his prime, too. by jake la motta. and in the mid 50s was not far from his prime either.

(and how can you write "frequently" in quotes, when I NEVER wrote the word frequently in any of my posts)

no **** hagler showed signs of slipping. too bad his chin did NOT show any signs of slipping (see the mugabi fight).

your interpretation of the evidence tells you robinson would be doing the knocking out. other ppl, might be disagreeing. I think robinson had more power than hagler, and hagler had a better chin. you can show me AGAIN all the footage of both fighters, read me AGAIN excerpts from articles, books, bios and I will not change my mind because it is a well informed opinion and I am able to understand what I read/watch without anyone explaining me how to do it.

hagler lost to willie monroe, just like robinson lost to la motta. what happened in the other fights? yes that's right hagler ****d monroe and robinson beat la motta sometimes convincingly, sometimes not quite.

I dont think hagler is a god. He has his shortcomings: lack of power in his let hand nad most important he was a "******" fighter in the 80s when he decided he would fight according to his ****** mantra...

and one more thing. my rating of lamotta does not show any bias or lack of learning. it is a consequence of reading, thinking, watching and thinking again. Your calling others' informed opinions biased or uninformed is arrogant.

[wmute]

i guess my saying that lamotta should not be mentioned with hagler, is arrogant too

[Exige Jr]

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Who wants a slice of Battenberg.

[Kid Achilles]

After seeing SRR take out Gene Fullmer, who was as tough as they come, with a single well placed left hook, I would say it's possible.

A prime Hagler, just as any other human being, could be knocked out. It wouldn't be easy, but nothing is impossible.

[Kid Achilles]

and jake la motta should not be mentioned in the same breath as marvin hagler.

I absolutely agree. LaMotta was much more proven against other great middleweights. It would be an insult to such a great fighter to say that he was only as good as Hagler.