Could ray Robinson KO Hagler?

[Bozo_no no]

Ray Robinson could have KO'd Hagler, but if they'd fought at 160, Ray's up from Welter where he was at his best.

Marvin's a rock, and I think he would have dropped a decision, not get stopped.

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Anyone can ko anyone at any given time that's just the way it is.

quite true but

maybe whitaker or nicolino locche would NEVER be able to KO george chuvalo

[Tha Greatest]

I could see Robinson outboxing Hagler, but I don't see anyway that he could KO Hagler...

Hagler is one of the greatest fighters ever, and arguably the most durable fighter ever.

[Easy-E]

Did you know that nobody ever knocked out Robinson?

The only stoppage on his resume was to Joey Maxim for the Light-Heavyweight title when he was forced to retire from heat exhaustion....he was ahead in the scoring.

If Hagler couldn't kayo former lightweight, Roberto Duran....odds are he couldn't kayo Robinson.

Hagler had incredible power, and SRR didnt have a great chin. He was dropped many times, and Hagler would not let him escape.
Id take Hagler over SRR at middleweight in their respective primes.

Did you know that NOBODY ever knocked out Hagler?

[THE REAL NINJA]

quite true but

maybe whitaker or nicolino locche would NEVER be able to KO george chuvalo

sure they could with a baseball bat

[K-DOGG]

what is that supposed to mean?

don't bring a gun in a nuclear war

What it means is yes, I know Robinson's prime was at welterweight and yes, I know Robins was knocked down; but knocking a fighter down isn't the same as knocking him out.

Lamotta is a perfect reference because of his chin, as is Fulmer; and Duran is a relevant point as well, seeing as how Robinson was a faster, stronger, more elusive target than was Duran. Hearns blased Duran out in 2...Hagler won a close decision over 15 over the same man, yet Hagler stopped Hearns in 3 because whiskers are part of the equation as much as style....and Robinson had both.

While I will concede to the REAL NINJA's perfectly legitimate point that either man could have knocked out the other....the evidence is that Robinson would be the one doing the knocking out.

Robinson fought bigger men than himself on a regular basis in his prime as a Welterweight; and beat them...stopping many, and was never stopped himself in over 200 bouts and fighting the #1 contender at age 45 before he retired in 1965. The Robinson who you referenced as being dropped "frequently", was not the "prime" Robinson, yet he still was never stopped....and that's in over three times as many bouts as Hagler and 12 years past his 33rd birthday.

Odds are Hagler wouldn't have been as successful had he continued on for that period of time in not being stopped seeing as how the evidence of his decline was clear in the Leonard fight.

If you take the two at their best, anything could happen, it's true; but Hagler lost to slicksters Willie Monroe and (can't remember the other guy's name at the moment); and Robinson was a far slicker boxer and far more dangerous puncher than either of them.

LaMotta was a great Middleweight as well; and to say he doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Hagler denotes your bias and lack of learning. Was he as good? Not in my opinion; but he was indeed great...so great that he was avoided on the way up....and he beat bigger men as well.

Hagler was not a god and benefited greatly from a less than excellent Middleweight division.

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sure they could with a baseball bat

good K on your way

[Tha Greatest]

Hagler had incredible power, and SRR didnt have a great chin. He was dropped many times, and Hagler would not let him escape.
Id take Hagler over SRR at middleweight in their respective primes.

Did you know that NOBODY ever knocked out Hagler?

Not only that, nobody has even ever knocked him down.
Actually, nobody has even ever came close to even hurting him!

[K-DOGG]

Hagler had incredible power, and SRR didnt have a great chin. He was dropped many times, and Hagler would not let him escape.
Id take Hagler over SRR at middleweight in their respective primes.

Did you know that NOBODY ever knocked out Hagler?

Robinson had a fantastic chin.

[Easy-E]

Not only that, nobody has even ever knocked him down.
Actually, nobody has even ever came close to even hurting him!

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Actully Hagler was KD'd before, but he wasnt hurt. It was more of a flash kd.
I think it was Willie Monroe who dropped him, but im not sure about that.