Why Floyd will never be the greatest boxer of all time...

[K-DOGG]

In all seriousness, Floyd's only 30, so it's not too late; but he'll have to beat Hatton, Cotto, Williams, Margarito, Baldomir...and wins over De La Hoya and Mosely would help, as would wins over Quartey; but those guys are past their best.

You have to understand, to be an all time great, it takes more than everybody saying you're the pound for pound best, you have to prove it....and constantly.


Robinson really proved himself at 147; but added to it by fighting and beating the best at 160 long after he was past his best...and those guys were really good he beat, some great. It takes more than press clippings and alphabelts, you have to duck no one and take on all comers and show supreme confidence in yourself and back it up in the ring against the best competition available.....and if your competition is on par with those of the all time greats....you just might make it into the club.

As of now, Floyd's got a ways to go.

[bakey321]

srl beat hearns... and then got a gift draw that he admits to.

and no one is as good as them today? thats ur guys's problems. u have these old timers hyped up to super gods that nobody will ever top in skill. Many people think that Bernard hopkins is the best fighter since SRL. that tops duran and hearns!

Tommy hearns hearns himself says that JERMAIN TAYLOR could have given any fight of any era a lot of trouble, and says that taylor could have beaten him!!! and dont say he was just being nice, because he was asked that question after the interviewer got him riled up after bringing up losses to leonard and hagler.

And emanuel steward says Jermain taylor is one of the greatest fighters he's ever seen!

Its the same with every sport, not just boxing. Old guys want to glorify the athletes of the past and act like the athletes of today aren't on the same level, but its the exact opposite. Guys like Ray Lewis would put the RB's from the 60's in the ER, yet "nobody was as good as **** Butkus." C'mon, Sandy Koufax would struggle to make a starting rotation today, Shaq would have (insert any center in the history of the NBA) begging to be taken out. Don't get me wrong, boxing is different story for the most part. I would pick Ali to beat any Heavyweight in history, but to not even consider this generations fighters for the honor of best ever NO MATTER WHO THEY BEAT is ridiculous.

[JMCbulls]

Add benitez and the win against Hearns to thet

yep

1.i was only posting 3, but yea, if 4, benitez too
2. somehow forgot the win over hearns, just the draw for some reason

thnx for the k, ill hit u back

[JMCbulls]

srl beat hearns... and then got a gift draw that he admits to.

and no one is as good as them today? thats ur guys's problems. u have these old timers hyped up to super gods that nobody will ever top in skill. Many people think that Bernard hopkins is the best fighter since SRL. that tops duran and hearns!

Tommy hearns hearns himself says that JERMAIN TAYLOR could have given any fight of any era a lot of trouble, and says that taylor could have beaten him!!! and dont say he was just being nice, because he was asked that question after the interviewer got him riled up after bringing up losses to leonard and hagler.

And emanuel steward says Jermain taylor is one of the greatest fighters he's ever seen!

1. my mistake, i blanked on the win over hearns
2.if its "our problem" name some fighters 130-147 better right now.
3.no ones talking about hopkins, and that was a bad example, due to the fact that he has accomplished so much more than pbf, and yes, i think he is up there with duran hearns.
4.taylors a great fighter, imn not going to say who he could and could not beat, again this is about pbf, no one else. i do think he could give ppl trouble, and hey, maybe even beat hearns.
5.steward is his trainer, of course hes gonig to hype him up, so ill disregard that last statement.

[Smokin']

You guys are all dumbasses. You all act like history doesn't mean **** and that just because a modern fighter can beat an old timer that the old timer's accomplishments don't mean jack. That's just ******. Have some respect for the past.

[JMCbulls]

^^nicely put.

just b/c taylor MIGHT HAVE beaten hearns doesnt mean u can demean his accomplishments and take away what he has done for the sports.

wat a coincidence, floyd just said on an interview if he retired now he would be the greatest of all time. wat a dumbass.

[K-DOGG]

Last thing on this for tonight, concerning modern fighters and the greats of the past....

The myth of modern technology and training techniques is just that...a myth. Everything balances out in this regard, because it can be argued that some defensive and offensives techniques have been forgotten by modern athletes. Why else would fighters such as James Toney, Winky Wright, Bernard Hopkins and others be praised for being "old-school" if there wasn't some emphasis on dedication to the intricacies of their craft?

Second thought, old fight fans do raise their fighters above sometimes; but new fans of new fighters do the same thing by dismissing the old-timers completely. The only fair thing to do is really examine each fighter, regardless of era, and their competition because a great fighter really needs great opponents to highlight their "greatness". What would we know about Ali if it weren't for Joe Frazier testing his very limits, or Louis without Conn, or Hopkins without Trinidad....AHHH, made a few of you back up there, didn't I? You have to remember what the atmosphere was at the time of the fight, not just the current opinion, which is pretty accurate, that Tito couldn't handle good boxers....we didn't really know this at the time. Everyone was picking Tito to beat Bernard. Why? This is what I mean about "perspective".

Another thing, you can't make mythical match-ups to determine a fighter's supposed "greatness", such as matching Jermain Taylor against Thomas Hearns.....because, in the end, that's utter bull****. They didn't fight, you don't KNOW what would have happened, so it's not a fair standard. It is pure speculation....and THAT will NEVER do. Each figher must be judged by his opponents and his era and then the era's compared from a reasonable bases and assessment of the skills of the opponents....but keep it all relative. You can't say Mike Tyson would have beaten Jack Johnson any more than I can say Johnson would have beaten Tyson.....well, you can; but I could argue against it all day long....and you could too. Stick to the eras and their own competition....and, eventually, the truth of the matter will come out.


There, those are my thoughts. Sorry 'bout the length.

[Guest]

wat a coincidence, floyd just said on an interview if he retired now he would be the greatest of all time. wat a dumbass.

I've been hearing him say this for a long time now, and a lot of his fans echoing the sentiment. Or should that be sediment?

That's what inspired this thread.

[Guest]

Obviously you see what you want to see. Hatton has been a world champ in two weight classes and is undefeated (yet he's overrated?). DLH and Mosley just knocked out guys who were veteran fighters, not great I'll admit, but still considered tough opponents. And how can you seriously try to take away Taylor's accomplishments? He fought to a draw with the #2 P4P fighter in the world and beat a Champion that hadn't lost in over a decade TWICE. Believe me, I'm not a stalker (don't flatter yourself) I'm just trying to rid the world of ignorance starting with you. Funny that you downplay the accomplishments of 4 world champs and some future hall of famers just because you don't like Floyd. P4P, Baby.

Nah, the entire point of this thread is to rid the world of ignorance, starting with YOU.

And yeah, I'll flatter myself as much as I like when I've got someone stepping outside the boundaries of civil conversation and resorting to personal attacks.

Hopkins's loss was clearly something waiting to happen... his vast drop off in punch output was clearly going to cost him on the scorecards soon, and it took against Taylor. We'll see what Taylor does from this point on before talking about his greatness, thanks...

Bizarre how yesterday you "respected" my opinions but since I put up a joke picture of Floyd you want to personally attack me just for having a different opinion to yours.

Disagree with my views all you like... but don't call me ignorant, or I'll tell you to go **** yourself.

[Guest]

In all fairness to Floyd, ....nah. I can't do it. When you're right you're right, and you are soooo 100% Right, Anorak.

Ain't I always?