Why Floyd will never be the greatest boxer of all time...

[deuce_drop]

i think floyd has a chance at making the top ten greatest of all time, but he needs better fights,bigger names and bigger threats. i'm not criticizing floyd too much about who he's fought and who he's got in line in the future, but he needs to really give the fans the fights WE want to see. in business if someone really wants something to get done, they get it done, they find a way to make it happen. sometimes when deals don't get made or done, it makes me think that neither side want to do it. i know when negotiating contracts there are two sides to everything, both sides are at fault but c'mon, deals need to get signed and fight fan fights need to get made for floyd to be considered great. he beats the people the fans want to see him fight, then he'll be great, he keeps fighting guys that aren't really on his level( be it technical or timing wise), it will always be debated whether he's great or not.

i do like the fact that him and Baldomir are fighting, i think it's going to be intersting being this is the biggest opponent floyds fought. although floyds skills are far better, Baldomir has a solid chin and tons of pressure, it ought to be a test for floyd, i think anyways.

[BobbyDigital]

I Love tHIS Thread already it's funny how somebody was thinking the same thing i was props to duece drop. Fact of the matter is Floyd Mayweather is fighting Name opponents , that do not have enough skill level as he does. BASICALLY he always looks good considering his impecable speed , defense, and footwork. BUT I want to see him utilize it against a real threat. A Baldomir fight is NOT gonna clear up any doubt in my mind that he is a welterweight champion when he wins maybe to the PBF fans but not me I know boxing and that's a lob sided fight. IT will be exciting but boring at the same time cause everyone knows the end result. I would like to see him fight Mosley, De la Joya , most of all Antonio Margarito. (mosley at welter, comparing fights MAyweather / Mosley) i respect mosley and i still consider him champion his fight with vargas did not convince me he is still legit but he's good and a real champ WHY? I'll tell you he fought "NAME OPPONENTS", but name oppenents which were at the peak of their career at the time for instance fought de la joya beat him the first time straight up and down, the second one was fishy but still first one made sense. A vernon forrest fight, a fight he didn't have to take but he was a champ he wanted to make clear to the fans that he had enough to beat anybody who they had a doubt was better that's a champ. On the other hand Mayweather eases in the welterweight division with Sharmba Mitchell a has been , squeezes in a fight a career descending close to retirment gatti. That is not enough to convince me he is the greatest or a champ < I give him made props at the lower level weight class his fights with diego and castillo. What most PBF Fans do is overshadow his carrer from Lightweight to welter this a new ball park , so he best stop claiming a homerun in a bigger field , a field with more power , I know he has a glass chin, his soon to be Baldomir victory will give him the seat at the top and from what i hear is De la Joya is aiming for a Trinidad fight , but a mayweather /De la Joya is still probable for May5 , But i know if that dont happen it will be another lame opponent oh and he will be a "NAME OPPONENT" , because remember it's always a business decision, in his own words if it makes dollars it makes sense, im asuming a dangerous margarito fishing with 8 million dollars as bait was not enough for him to bite . But thanks to the user who made this thread props , had to give some feedback for you all maybe you like maybe not , but in the end "TO EACH HIS OWN

[Derranged_]

At this point I would say no. But an arguement could be made IF within the next few years he fights and beats: DLH, Mosley, Hatton, Cotto, PWilliams and some other young up and coming top contenders.

However he will also need a little help in that the young contenders would have to have excellent careers in there own right otherwise it would seem like he fought an overhyped prospect. Similar to Jones's strongest arguement for greatness was his defeats of Hopkins and Toney who both went on to have excellent careers after Jones beat them.

Currently I wouldn't even have him in my top 20 ATG

I hope, as do many others on this forum, that Baldomir rains on Floyd's parade and makes a very dark blemish on his record.

[bakey321]

Nah, the entire point of this thread is to rid the world of ignorance, starting with YOU.

And yeah, I'll flatter myself as much as I like when I've got someone stepping outside the boundaries of civil conversation and resorting to personal attacks.

Hopkins's loss was clearly something waiting to happen... his vast drop off in punch output was clearly going to cost him on the scorecards soon, and it took against Taylor. We'll see what Taylor does from this point on before talking about his greatness, thanks...

Bizarre how yesterday you "respected" my opinions but since I put up a joke picture of Floyd you want to personally attack me just for having a different opinion to yours.

Disagree with my views all you like... but don't call me ignorant, or I'll tell you to go **** yourself.

I told you I respected your opinions like I respect everyone's on this forum, but I'm going to let you know if you're an idiot so that you can better yourself. Nice of me, huh? Its just funny that you tear down the accomplishments of all those great fighters because you don't like Floyd. You extend a personal attack at Floyd and get upset when others tell you its in bad taste. If I agree with you on something, then I'll let you know, and if I disagree I'll let you know. And I'm just letting you know that you're an idiot for thinking that Hopkins was too washed up to beat Taylor, especially since he moved up 2 weight classes to become champ at Light Heavy. You're an idiot for thinking that Hatton is unproven through 41 fights and two world championship belts. And you're an idiot for thinking that DLH and Mosley are suddenly washed up. All because you feel the need to attack Floyd, these guys all of a sudden are no good. hahaha. 4 DIFFERENT CHAMPIONS ARE NO GOOD???????? I'm finding it harder and harder to respect your opinions.

[elgaringo]

ummm, thanks for proving my point...

of hatton beat all the greats convincingly, then YES, he could be considered the greatest of all time. If ur mate Daz Parker beat all the greats convincingly, then YES, he could be considered the greatest of all time.

but they WONT because they CANT. Mayweather CAN beat all the greats, and he has to oppurtunity to do so!!! nobody else does

and ur right, mayweather has picked his fighters since after he beat castillo twice, but that doesnt mean he isnt fighting BALDY, MOSLEY, DLH, HATTON, WRIGHT, and even TAYLOR in his future, right?

and if u think for a second that i dont know allll about the guys u listed above, then ur dead wrong. i have read books and biographies on the guys u listed at the top of ur post,

I think he'll beat Baldy! ( won't be easy though) But he won't get past the rest . Thats my opinion and I can't be arsed to argue about it cos Im off to get a bath. But if and when he does fight these guys I'll bet with ya

[Kball15]

I think he'll beat Baldy! ( won't be easy though) But he won't get past the rest . Thats my opinion and I can't be arsed to argue about it cos Im off to get a bath. But if and when he does fight these guys I'll bet with ya

ill hold u to that

[Kball15]

1. my mistake, i blanked on the win over hearns
2.if its "our problem" name some fighters 130-147 better right now.
3.no ones talking about hopkins, and that was a bad example, due to the fact that he has accomplished so much more than pbf, and yes, i think he is up there with duran hearns.
4.taylors a great fighter, imn not going to say who he could and could not beat, again this is about pbf, no one else. i do think he could give ppl trouble, and hey, maybe even beat hearns.
5.steward is his trainer, of course hes gonig to hype him up, so ill disregard that last statement.

1. how could u blank on that win? u clearly didnt know about it

2. floyd mayweather jr.... lol

3. The ring magazine and boxing digest both had articles based on hopkins's legacy. and both mentioned he is quite possibly the greatest fighter since SRL

4. good

5. true, and he does hype up guys a lot.

[Kball15]

You guys are all dumbasses. You all act like history doesn't mean **** and that just because a modern fighter can beat an old timer that the old timer's accomplishments don't mean jack. That's just ******. Have some respect for the past.

who said this? nobody. if ur referring to me, all i said was that HEARNS himself said in an interview that taylor could give any middleweight fighter from an any era, hell. And that taylor could possibly beat him, but that was after the interviewer basically forced it out of him.

but nobody said that hearns ******, and that his accomplishments meant jack. I have the ut-most respect for hearns and what he accomplished in boxing.

and if u werent talking about me then sry

[Guest]

I told you I respected your opinions like I respect everyone's on this forum, but I'm going to let you know if you're an idiot so that you can better yourself. Nice of me, huh? Its just funny that you tear down the accomplishments of all those great fighters because you don't like Floyd. You extend a personal attack at Floyd and get upset when others tell you its in bad taste. If I agree with you on something, then I'll let you know, and if I disagree I'll let you know. And I'm just letting you know that you're an idiot for thinking that Hopkins was too washed up to beat Taylor, especially since he moved up 2 weight classes to become champ at Light Heavy. You're an idiot for thinking that Hatton is unproven through 41 fights and two world championship belts. And you're an idiot for thinking that DLH and Mosley are suddenly washed up. All because you feel the need to attack Floyd, these guys all of a sudden are no good. hahaha. 4 DIFFERENT CHAMPIONS ARE NO GOOD???????? I'm finding it harder and harder to respect your opinions.

Nah, what this is is perjorative speculation on your part.

If you look through what you've just said it's actually your inference on my motives, which isn't true.

I never said I "disliked" Floyd. I might take the piss out of him in my sig and tear my hair out reading overnight fans saying how he's the best fighter in history, but I don't "dislike" him.

All I'm saying is that Hatton isn't tested against an elite fighter with evasive skills. Zoo came to him, Maussa largely came to him. Collazo used pure boxing ability against him and he didn't look so good against it, so his standing cannot still be taken for granted. No, I'm not going to say that Hatton is definitely elite just because he took a decision over Joe Hutchinson, Stephen Smith and Eamonn Magee.

As for your other points, then again, this is the point that I'm making entirely: WHEN did I say that DLH, Mosley and Hop were "WASHED UP"? The answer: I DIDN'T. Those were YOUR words, YOUR interpretation of my posts, not MINE.

All I actually said was, we shouldn't be claiming Taylor's a HOF resident just because he snuck past an old Hopkins and an ageing, out-of-his-natural-division Wright. In both fights he looked in bad shape towards the end, and I thought he lost them both. He should not be having his eyes sealed against a 40-year-old Hopkins and a Light-Middleweight if he's a legitimate middle. Maybe he will grow into the role, and they ARE very good opponents, but time will tell. Hold the calls to Canastota just now.

Hopkins clearly still has enough to beat an overrated Tarver, and had enough to beat Taylor if he put his foot on the gas, but he's clearly - while not washed-up - the fighter he was even five years ago.

There's a grey area, see, between "prime" and "shot", and a lot of those fighters are in it. They're not washed up, but there's no way anyone could say they're as good as they were.

DLH? I don't know. He took out a Mayorga that was tailor-made for him and had already been chin-checked by Tito. And if Sugar Shane beating a shot - yes, SHOT - Vargas convinces you that he's back to what he was, then I'll just say "wait and see".

But my overriding point is, you wanna discuss boxing with me, discuss it. But if you want to presume what I'm saying and put words and motives into my mouth, while throwing protracted insults and name-calling, then do it somewhere else. Thanks.

[Nate Dogg]

if mayweather beat at least the top 8 guys around right i would put him down as 1 of the best ever top5 at least
thats if he was to beat
1 oscar de la hoya
2 mosley
3 hatton
4 margarito
5 cotto
6 williams
7winky
8 spinks