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he wasnt a very good boxer at all. why do you think he always used illegal tactics? he didnt do that vs the bums he fought. he was a political creation but an A+ political creation!
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I'd give him a B. He was tough and smart in there, but honestly I think if he had a different promoter etc, he would have about 5 or so blemishes (loss/draw/DQ) on his record. He only really had like 10 legit fights in his career as well. I just never saw elite skills from him in any fight vs similar level opponents.
Everything became murky and mucked up in those fights. He would often get away with 'fouls', with most rounds still being close, and all the while getting 90% of the close rounds on the official cards.
He was 5-0 vs Kov1/2, Barrera, Bika and Kessler. With a different/more neutral ref and/or judges in those fights, he could easily be something like 2-2-1 in those 5. His best legit win is a 7-5 win at home over Froch. A good win but yeah with everything else about him, I've never really understood the appeal as a 'great boxer'. Tribalism is a hell of a thing I suppose.Comment
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He was a first ballot hall of famer for a reason...
I mean literally right behind pac and floyd this generation overall.
What else needs to be said? A lot of people in this thread are really not being honest with themselves...Ward is better then every fighter that has been given an A+ so far, hands down.Comment
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The main reason being he was American, and was marketed and promoted as 'the guy'.
I think your comment and some of his 'grades' here prove why he was given special status.
He was always going to be more marketable than a similarly skilled fighter from a different country. As a result he benefitted from a lot of breaks.
He was a tough smart fighter, but if you don't see the breaks he got, I mean idk what to say. There are still some people who swear he dominated guys like Bika and Barrera, and I'm here to tell you that never happened.Comment
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Can't comment on his amateur accolades. Never saw him fight there. In the pros he was definitely a guy who could win clean against average competition, which is mostly what the ams are. He did have a nice 'story' to him in the ams as well which probably helped him there.
Killers at 168? Come on man. And we all know what happened in the Kov fights, as I mentioned prior. Overhyping Ward is just weird. Like I watched all his big fights.
As I said, he had about 10 real fights as a pro. And if he had different judges/refs, he could have a blemish (loss/draw/DQ) in half of those.
What's there to really get excited about?Comment
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On the shallow end of great
An excellent fighter
I wasn’t ever excited to see him fight though. He had that Mikey Garcia effectComment
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Missed the poll. but A+ for meComment
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he was good with the super 6, thought he was going to be something bigger, an atg
then he stopped fighting anyone with a pulse.
beat a drained chad dawson
thought he was gifted kov 1 and won kov 2 with a literal 5 punch combination to the balls, kov looks to the ref like ok we starting my 5 minutes now right? ref looks at him and says no bud you were just knocked out.Comment
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You're just a hater, nothing more to it really.
When you fail to give someone credit who clearly deserves it, your true colors show.
Maybe you didn't think he was that great stylistically, but to refuse to acknowledge what he did by calling all his competition average and claiming the amateurs is a walk in the park let's me know everything I need when you assess Ward and his career. Maybe it didn't look that special, but he always got the job done and very convincingly, against the best in the world consistently since age 10. To me it seems you didn't fancy the way in which he got it done, but he got it done nonetheless.Comment
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