"Who? What has he done? Who is he?" - Floyd Mayweather

[cupcrazy01]

Since Gatti, everyone he has fought has been former champs!!!
and highly regarded around the time he fought them, except for maybe Mitchell.

That's 1 out of all 2 opponents since Gatti by YOUR count, and most people didn't think highly of Judah, who had just lost to a guy with 9 losses (at the time, Baldomir was still considered a journeyman who outworked Judah).

[SalvaDominicano]

I don't think anyone is really criticizing him for fighting Baldomir, I know I'm not.

It's that the rules change week-to-week with Floyd, because of who he does or does not want to fight. He fought Judah because it was more money. Then even though Margarito was more money than THAT, he won't fight him because of his resume. But I don't remember him combing over the resumes of Judah, Mitchell, Bruselas, Gatti, Chop-chop, etc, saying they weren't worthy, and who have they beat, etc. Can you see the hypocrisy in THAT?

I'm fine with Floyd fighting Baldomir. It's what he does after that which is the issue of this thread, because although everyone wants to see Margarito fight Williams, Floyd is trying to give himself an out ALREADY, by deflating the next Margarito offer, even if he beats Williams. So why would Tony even bother fighting Williams? Williams looks to be a freak at 147, and will be very tough to beat. Margarito is the biggest puncher at 147, and the biggest danger to Floyd. Yet he rips both of these guys, but the guys he wants to fight are bulletproof and above all criticism. Can you see the hypocrisy in THAT?

good post.

[cortdawg25]

I don't think anyone is really criticizing him for fighting Baldomir, I know I'm not.

It's that the rules change week-to-week with Floyd, because of who he does or does not want to fight. He fought Judah because it was more money. Then even though Margarito was more money than THAT, he won't fight him because of his resume. But I don't remember him combing over the resumes of Judah, Mitchell, Bruselas, Gatti, Chop-chop, etc, saying they weren't worthy, and who have they beat, etc. Can you see the hypocrisy in THAT?

I'm fine with Floyd fighting Baldomir. It's what he does after that which is the issue of this thread, because although everyone wants to see Margarito fight Williams, Floyd is trying to give himself an out ALREADY, by deflating the next Margarito offer, even if he beats Williams. So why would Tony even bother fighting Williams? Williams looks to be a freak at 147, and will be very tough to beat. Margarito is the biggest puncher at 147, and the biggest danger to Floyd. Yet he rips both of these guys, but the guys he wants to fight are bulletproof and above all criticism. Can you see the hypocrisy in THAT?

he fought Judah for more $$$ and because everybody would rather see that, trying to please the socalled FANS. He didnt have to comb over Judah and Mitchell, they were seasoned accomplished vets, former champs (ZAb was undisputed champ this year)who beat other significant fighters. The Bruseles and chop-chops had to be fought in order to get Gatti, and he fought Gatti to put him in the position he in now. That's not hipocrisy, that's sequential order, the correct way to have success. Thats called earning it, the exact same thing that is being asked of Margo and Williams. Williams is trying to earn it, he stepping up to another level, not trying to jump to the highest level. Margo wants $$$ and fame, and thats fine, but u cant have it going the easy way. u got to work for just like everybody else had too. Aint no hipocrisy in that, thats TRUTH!!!

[cortdawg25]

he's only fought only 2 guys since gatti, zab and mitchell.... i'll give him this much credit, i think baldy will be tougher than spinks and a more entertaining fight... spinks/PBF would have been a stinker..

I know, he has only been the man since Gatti. he got his P4P title after Gatti fight. He hasnt fought a nobody since!!! Thats eactly what im saying, how can u be mad at that?

[cortdawg25]

ok... since gatti.... except for mitchell...... that only leaves judah. YEP... THATS EVERYONE!

AND JUDAH LOST TO BALDOMIR SO HE WASNT REGARDED HIGHLY AT ALL.

owned.

media and fans alike all thought that was fluke. Media and fans wanted him to fight Zab. Zab was highly regarded, alot of people thought he could upset Floyd, just go look in the archives, its all there. He picked Mitchell for a warm-up and he a former champ. Margorito or Williams would or did fight Mitchell to test thmeselves. There is a difference.

[cupcrazy01]

Didnt everybody or most people want him to fight Zab instead of baldomir? I think so, damned if u do damned if u dont. Hell, he listend to the public and fought Judah, then he got criticized for that after he disposes of him so easy. Now he is going after the real undisputed linear champ and he is getting criticized for that. Cant u see the hipocrisy in that?

Yes and no. It was a widely-criticized matchup and Arum and King had to stack the undercard to get a good number of PPVs. More wanted Floyd to fight Margarito, however, because he was a much more legitimate champion in the division than was Judah, who just LOST and kept a belt.

Since Baldomir was still considered a journeyman who simply outworked Judah, virtually no one was clamoring for that fight.

Financially, the Judah fight made sense, and it was much more than he would have gotten for Baldomir at that time, so while people weren't enthralled with a tainted Mayweather-Judah, it was his best option, seeing as Mosley and Hatton didn't want to fight him.

[mECHsLAVE]

he fought Judah for more $$$ and because everybody would rather see that, trying to please the socalled FANS. He didnt have to comb over Judah and Mitchell, they were seasoned accomplished vets, former champs (ZAb was undisputed champ this year)who beat other significant fighters. The Bruseles and chop-chops had to be fought in order to get Gatti, and he fought Gatti to put him in the position he in now. That's not hipocrisy, that's sequential order, the correct way to have success. Thats called earning it, the exact same thing that is being asked of Margo and Williams. Williams is trying to earn it, he stepping up to another level, not trying to jump to the highest level. Margo wants $$$ and fame, and thats fine, but u cant have it going the easy way. u got to work for just like everybody else had too. Aint no hipocrisy in that, thats TRUTH!!!

In back-to-back fights, Floyd fought guys coming off of losses in their last major fight. And before that he fought Gatti (a C-level fighter, according to Floyd).

But now, Margarito isn't worthy? Surely, you see how boxing fans raise their eyebrows at that smug logic.

And like I said, his slogan when criticized for fighting Judah was "If it makes dollars, it makes sense." But apparently that rule is not going to apply to Margarito, as you can see, Floyd is already talking down Tony because he doesn't want to fight him next year either. Floyd changes the rules and the criteria for who he fights, from fight to fight.

[Guest]

I don't think anyone is really criticizing him for fighting Baldomir, I know I'm not.

It's that the rules change week-to-week with Floyd, because of who he does or does not want to fight. He fought Judah because it was more money. Then even though Margarito was more money than THAT, he won't fight him because of his resume. But I don't remember him combing over the resumes of Judah, Mitchell, Bruselas, Gatti, Chop-chop, etc, saying they weren't worthy, and who have they beat, etc. Can you see the hypocrisy in THAT?

I'm fine with Floyd fighting Baldomir. It's what he does after that which is the issue of this thread, because although everyone wants to see Margarito fight Williams, Floyd is trying to give himself an out ALREADY, by deflating the next Margarito offer, even if he beats Williams. So why would Tony even bother fighting Williams? Williams looks to be a freak at 147, and will be very tough to beat. Margarito is the biggest puncher at 147, and the biggest danger to Floyd. Yet he rips both of these guys, but the guys he wants to fight are bulletproof and above all criticism. Can you see the hypocrisy in THAT?

Why should Margarito fight Williams? To move his career forward, that's why! Floyd's three fights at welter are better than everything Margarito has done in his career and you have the balls to criticize the man's resume? Margarito is the one who needs to step up the level of competition and Williams is a step in that direction.

Forget about fighting Floyd. Margarito needs to fight the best fighters out there for his career. He should not make decisions based on whether they will help him make a fight with Floyd. If Floyd just doesn't want to fight the man, he won't. Margarito has no power at all to change that. For you to basically say he shouldn't fight Williams because Floyd already trashed The Punisher is a joke. If you don't want to see this fight, you are just a fan of the Margarito hype and fear that he'll lose. You do not want to see this man tested if you have a problem with this fight...

[cortdawg25]

Yes and no. It was a widely-criticized matchup and Arum and King had to stack the undercard to get a good number of PPVs. More wanted Floyd to fight Margarito, however, because he was a much more legitimate champion in the division than was Judah, who just LOST and kept a belt.

Since Baldomir was still considered a journeyman who simply outworked Judah, virtually no one was clamoring for that fight.

Financially, the Judah fight made sense, and it was much more than he would have gotten for Baldomir at that time, so while people weren't enthralled with a tainted Mayweather-Judah, it was his best option, seeing as Mosley and Hatton didn't want to fight him.

Judah was still highly regarded at the time, and everyone was saying that a focused Zab would be the one to most likely pull the upset. More didnt want him to fight Margo, Margo wasn't even discussed really, and a offer was made to him but he already had a fight with Gomez. margo didnt become this monster untill the 8M offer so Judah was the best option like u said!

[cortdawg25]

In back-to-back fights, Floyd fought guys coming off of losses in their last major fight. And before that he fought Gatti (a C-level fighter, according to Floyd).

But now, Margarito isn't worthy? Surely, you see how boxing fans raise their eyebrows at that smug logic.

And like I said, his slogan when criticized for fighting Judah was "If it makes dollars, it makes sense." But apparently that rule is not going to apply to Margarito, as you can see, Floyd is already talking down Tony because he doesn't want to fight him next year either. Floyd changes the rules and the criteria for who he fights, from fight to fight.

Again, Sharmba was a tuneup who was actually coming off a win I beleive. Zab was the best option despite the loss to most people, even on here, go in the archives and look, gatti the clevel fighter, got him where he is at today. margo might have been worthy pre-Gatti, but not anymore. Delahoya, Mosley, hatton, Winky, even cotto are more worhty. Come on dude, be honest with yourself.