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[djtmal]

Once again, not just Cotto, but Margarito and De La Hoya

Marquez was the one that called out Mayweather, not the other one around. Marquez certainly wasn't too small when he knocked pacquiao out cold at welteweight.

The difference between the Canelo and Cotto situation: Mannys team wanted the CW against Cotto, Canelos team suggested the catchweight.

So out of the champs at ww at that time you had plenty; the only call out Floyd heard was from a lightweight? Even Brian Kenny questioned Floyd on that one and Floyd got super defensive and made up the same excuses some of you Floyd boys make.

Again, I could care less who's idea it was to fight at a catchweight. Floyd/Canelo was fought at a catchweight, and so was Manny/Cotto. Floyd/Marquez was an even worst catchweight sitatuation so stop trying to excuse Floyd's f**kery.

[Roadblock]

So out of the champs at ww at that time you had plenty; the only call out Floyd heard was from a lightweight? Even Brian Kenny questioned Floyd on that one and Floyd got super defensive and made up the same excuses some of you Floyd boys make.

Again, I could care less who's idea it was to fight at a catchweight. Floyd/Canelo was fought at a catchweight, and so was Manny/Cotto. Floyd/Marquez was an even worst catchweight sitatuation so stop trying to excuse Floyd's f**kery.

JMM was no 2 P4P at the time and Floyd had been out for nearly 2 yrs I think he looked at it as a tune up fight plus the fact that Manny had gone life and death with JMM so many times before, so to beat JMM was a shot at Manny as it turned out Floyd toyed with him like an amatuer and JMM never ever wanted a rematch and stated Floyd the best fighter he ever shared a ring with .

[djtmal]

JMM was no 2 P4P at the time and Floyd had been out for nearly 2 yrs I think he looked at it as a tune up fight plus the fact that Manny had gone life and death with JMM so many times before, so to beat JMM was a shot at Manny as it turned out Floyd toyed with him like an amatuer and JMM never ever wanted a rematch and stated Floyd the best fighter he ever shared a ring with .

Marquez was a lightweight that Floyd welched on the scales. You forgetting the most import part. Brian Kenny exposed Floyd's cherrypick.

Floyd had already came off a two year vacation where he ducked all of the prime ww's Cotto, Margarito, Williams, etc.

[Ochoa780]

Not at ww or at a prime age at 154. Despite my disdain for him out of the ring the guy was a great boxer puncher and had a pretty damn good chin... idk that I favor manny over Shane at 135, but I would have loved to see both. Shane and oscar were absolute dogs in their days

[Ochoa780]

... on another note why does every thread here turn into a floyd thread.. smh

[Roadblock]

Marquez was a lightweight that Floyd welched on the scales. You forgetting the most import part. Brian Kenny exposed Floyd's cherrypick.

Floyd had already came off a two year vacation where he ducked all of the prime ww's Cotto, Margarito, Williams, etc.

Floyd also came from LW as did Manny and JMM , these guys all came through the same process, Manny went to Oscar from LW , Floyd went to to Judah from LW and JMM went to Floyd from LW and you will find their fight night weights all the way through hardly varied , notice both Oscar and Floyd came from 130-135 and Judah came from 140, so there is really no difference at all to any off these fighters that moves up, they generally dont move up into a big guy at the weight they move up to a guy that came through the same deal they did.

If JMM had of CWed say Oscar and won would you be rubbishing Oscar , thats the problem with you you never look at the big picture and compare all of them you talk of Floyds ****ery yet Manny has a long list of ****ery.

Just be fair and I wont come down on you so hard, I dont like the one eyed BS when others are doing the same sht and they get a pass.

[edgarg]

Youre a bit of fresh air in here Edgarg I get so sick of talking to children fanboys that really dont know a dam thing what they on about with boxing, they just fanboy sheep following headlines either loving or hating you cant get a reasonable thinking conversation out of them, they remind me of woman gossiping.

You have hit right on the mark. At one time, many years ago, and for a few years after I joined,(the site was only a year old then) the posters were, by today's comparison, Double AA First Class. But then a crowd swept in, I think from another site where a scummy lot was being swept out. Just my opinion..

Since then its been some good posters, and many not so good, and it takes a few exchanges -sometimes heated- to find out who's who... Boliodogs, Larry, Iron Dan, Battling Nelson, and several others make this site worth switching into. I always said it was the best boxing site of all.
Ditmal may have had another name then, and Pasawayko, buth have the same opinion as I have about their pet aversion. Both good posters too.

REAL boxing fans know not only the present day stuff, which they can find anywhere, but they read about past heros and major fights, even follow obscure fighters. So usually know what they're talking about. I used to follow Gaspar Ortega, Luis Rodriguez, and Tokunbo Olajide. for example. Rodriguez was like a buzzsaw, had Benvenuti well beaten, and just when throwing a punch in the 13th rd, Benvenuti also lef go , meeting Rodriguez first. KO'd. He was only a welter, but beat up many middles. Beat Emil Griffith and many other champs too. Great fighter. I saw all those fights at the time they took place. I saw Robinson KO Fullmer with the left-hook, I think Fullmer was winning at the time..

( When I was 7-8 years old the only boxing news I could find was in the Police Gazette, and I loved to read about those old time battlers).

When Oscar "fought" Hopkins (who then very conveniently became a minor partner. likely already long arranged..??) Oscar had cut his hand badly a few days before the fight.. Didin't stop him from "fighting, and taking that phoney looking dive.(and the huge paycheck) He must have been taking lessons from Hopkins on how to "act"., but he messed it up. With such "tremendous pain" from the "liver" shot.-which looked more like a caress than a blow- he took time off from his pain to raise himself, look anguished, and hammered on the canvas with his fist...I suppose to show us how badly he wanted to get up but "couldn't;.....

I recall that Mosley also became a very minor partner, did his job of wearing a suit and tie and standing around on platforms with fighters, but......it was all a farce. Oscar and he had serious rivalries since schooldays, and suddenly, without warning, his usefulness worn out, he found himself getting $1000 cheque in the mail one day , and the news that his "partnership holding" had been bought back. Being not too bright, as we know, I think he still hasn't figured it out. It was described in Mosley's own words on this site. Oscar was flying high in all directions, in those days. Now he's just another promoter with a lot of baggage that he'll never shed.

Yet, he was great fighter, although very careful, like a certain other "0" lover, to make sure he had a good advantage before taking a fight. He miscalculated with Trinidad, and then was not so careful afterward, without his "0".......

Anyway, I'm talked out, and sorry I wandered into boxing trivia, instead of keeping to the subject. I do this somethimes when I'm in the mood.

[Oregonian]

but if you ask mike tyson who has the better legacy between the two.. what would be the answer?

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When did Tyson become the expert on measuring legacies?

Paulie Malignaggi is considered an expert boxing analyst and is on record multiple times saying Floyd has the better legacy and is arguably the greatest boxer of all time.

[djtmal]

Floyd also came from LW as did Manny and JMM , these guys all came through the same process, Manny went to Oscar from LW , Floyd went to to Judah from LW and JMM went to Floyd from LW and you will find their fight night weights all the way through hardly varied , notice both Oscar and Floyd came from 130-135 and Judah came from 140, so there is really no difference at all to any off these fighters that moves up, they generally dont move up into a big guy at the weight they move up to a guy that came through the same deal they did.

If JMM had of CWed say Oscar and won would you be rubbishing Oscar , thats the problem with you you never look at the big picture and compare all of them you talk of Floyds ****ery yet Manny has a long list of ****ery.

Just be fair and I wont come down on you so hard, I dont like the one eyed BS when others are doing the same sht and they get a pass.

I know where Floyd came from he had been sitting @ ww for years and grew into the weight. Did some time at 140 as well.

Marquez in one fight jumps up two weight classes to get welched on the scales; he already a slow flat footed short armed fighter. What more advantages did Floyd need. Marquez was stuck in the mud.

Sadly this was the start of the Money Mayweather Cherrypicking era.

[djtmal]

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When did Tyson become the expert on measuring legacies?

Paulie Malignaggi is considered an expert boxing analyst and is on record multiple times saying Floyd has the better legacy and is arguably the greatest boxer of all time.

Paulie may be the greatest Manny hater of all time