It has begun,boxing is officially a circus started by Floyd

[blowblow]

That isn't sarcasm. That is ******ity. Whatever dude. Just make your points clearly so I can understand them.

use common sense.. it makes it easier for you to understand stuff.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

If Floyd/Jake and Tyson/Roy outsell Canelo and Manny fights that means they aren't fighting who they should be. THAT is what hurts the credibility of the sport. Is that on Floyd?

It also means PBC and TR haven't done a good enough job of promoting these guys.

Floyd retired on top. At some point we as fans have to be honest about the difference between Floyd-a cash cow who spent close to 15 years ranked as one of the top 2 p4p fighters in the sport-and everyone else.

I don't know how else to say it-just because Floyd did it or can do it doesn't mean everyone else can. Floyd's path is his alone.

The sport would be better if everyone found their own lane rather than everyone trying to follow Floyd in the one he carved out for himself.

I get this but ask yourself why? Gatti was a unique fighter-a very popular but very average fighter. His most notable fights are ones where he was matched with other average guys-Robinson, Ward.

In all honesty, how many guys are evenly matched with Floyd that they could produce that kind of fights Gatti had?

Canelo fought GGG but it was overshadowed by Mayweather-McGregor. That’s the most obvious example of these circus fights hurting the sport. Tyson-Jones did the same thing to Loma-Lopez. It’s taking the shine away from the actual fights featuring actual elite level fighters.

Boxing is becoming so convoluted with these circus matchups that it just looks like a joke to outsiders looking in.

Imagine your a guy who’s trained for years, fought all over the world as an amateur, had 40+ fights as a pro and some youtuber is making 10x the money you’ll ever make, despite the fact he’s untrained, unqualified and undeserving of even being in a ring.

As I said to another guy imagine a week on Sunday. Some YouTuber replaces Patrick Mahomes in the super bowl because him vs Brady and the Bucs would draw more viewers/revenue. It would just never happen in any other sport but boxing.

Now as a businessman, I don’t blame Floyd for exploiting this opportunity but as a fighter it’s embarrassing what he’s doing, especially considering he doesn’t actually need the money.

That ain’t me hating on Floyd either. Roy is my favourite fighter of all time and watching him and Mike plod around the ring pretending to the casuals this was gonna be a real fight was cringeworthy too.

[The Big Dunn]

use common sense.. it makes it easier for you to understand stuff.

Enough. You posted that. It was ******. Lets just move on.

[blowblow]

Enough. You posted that. It was ******. Lets just move on.

sure thing little man.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Okay, that's kind of my point right there. Or the converse is really. For every Gatti-Ward there is a Floyd-Ortiz or some such similar. There is no era of just Gatti-Ward type fights so it's probably best we quit pretending there ever was.

This is the sport that exhibits with bears and ****. May as well own it and not worry about the animal rights folk who'd be turned off because they'll figure it out soon enough anyway. Get me?

Yeah I get what you’re saying. Boxing is full of BS matchups and always has been. I just don’t think there’s ever been an era where these circus type fights are at the forefront of the sport. Take Ali for example, when he fought Inoki that wasn’t bigger than the contemporary genuine fights like Ali-Frazier, Ali-Foreman etc. Nowadays these exhibitions are bigger deals than the real fights.

[The Big Dunn]

Canelo fought GGG but it was overshadowed by Mayweather-McGregor. That’s the most obvious example of these circus fights hurting the sport. Tyson-Jones did the same thing to Loma-Lopez. It’s taking the shine away from the actual fights featuring actual elite level fighters.

Boxing is becoming so convoluted with these circus matchups that it just looks like a joke to outsiders looking in.

Imagine your a guy who’s trained for years, fought all over the world as an amateur, had 40+ fights as a pro and some youtuber is making 10x the money you’ll ever make, despite the fact he’s untrained, unqualified and undeserving of even being in a ring.

As I said to another guy imagine a week on Sunday. Some YouTuber replaces Patrick Mahomes in the super bowl because him vs Brady and the Bucs would draw more viewers/revenue. It would just never happen in any other sport but boxing.

Now as a businessman, I don’t blame Floyd for exploiting this opportunity but as a fighter it’s embarrassing what he’s doing, especially considering he doesn’t actually need the money.

That ain’t me hating on Floyd either. Roy is my favourite fighter of all time and watching him and Mike plod around the ring pretending to the casuals this was gonna be a real fight was cringeworthy too.

OK i see your point. I just don't think GGG/Canelo is as big a fight as people think. I think that fight did as well as it was going to do given you have 2 non english speaking fighters.

I disagree with Tyson/Roy. Loma/Teo got massive push from ESPN. That fight was on regular TV and did over 2 million. I think that showed that Loma hasn't crossed over despite ESPN pushing him. Again, the language barrier is probably the main reason.

The money thing is a good point but that IMO is the fault of the networks. They went from paying more money for better fights to signing guys to exclusive deals and essentially paying them to appear and win rather than fight the best fights.

Look at DAZN. They paid Canelo all that dough and then couldn't understand why fans didn't jump to see him fight Kovalev and Fielding.

I guess I don't see how you can get mad at Floyd that Dana White and Mr. Honda pay him all this money for these exhibition fights. I don't think Floyd, or anyone, should turn down opportunities to earn money.

If Floyd did turn them down, I don't know if that would make people watch other fights.

[MaksBox]

Great great post, it's a sad state of our society that these idiot 22 year old youtoubers and influencers, people with no talent or education or skills, can make so much money just by being idiots.

So.... then why don't boxers become YouTubers?

The reality is, those "influencers" have a much broader appeal and are worth more to advertisers than boxers... many of whom are not great for sponsors with their criminal backgrounds.

For instance, one company I know USED TO sponsor Spence because they were from Texas... till that moron showed everyone about being drunk, belligerent and having his high speed crash.

Guys like Floyd and Tyson became crossovers and are actually expanding the amount of people watching boxing. Out of current boxers, you have AJ, Canelo and even GGG bringing in new people.

The vast majority of boxers though, DESPITE being skilled and could be amazing people, do not have their own audience.

Boxing has not done anything to expand their reach to get new people involved... these celebrity fights, are actually getting new boxing fans and sponsors involved.

and side note, it is NOT easy growing a large audience, and generally it is a full time business.

[The Big Dunn]

Yeah I get what you’re saying. Boxing is full of BS matchups and always has been. I just don’t think there’s ever been an era where these circus type fights are at the forefront of the sport. Take Ali for example, when he fought Inoki that wasn’t bigger than the contemporary genuine fights like Ali-Frazier, Ali-Foreman etc. Nowadays these exhibitions are bigger deals than the real fights.

RJJ that was almost 50 years ago. Completely different time.

Hell, if I put the Fortnite championship on against the World Series, it would do better numbers unless it was Yankees v Dodgers. Even then it would be close.

[MaksBox]

Btw, it seems like the biggest thing people are forgetting is that how much you earn is NOT determined by your boxing skills... it is determined about HOW MANY PEOPLE PAY TO SEE YOU FIGHT!

You can be the most talented boxer but if you can't bring in people or market yourself, why should someone pay you?

That is the whole promotional game... they value how much they can make from you or if they can grow you into a star.

Someone like Floyd or Canelo can bring in their own following. And this is why Tyson, and now basketball stars, Logan Paul, KSI, and whatever other YouTuber or influencer IS going to get paid more... because THEY have a following already, who will WATCH them... no matter how much they suck.

[Marchegiano]

Yeah I get what you’re saying. Boxing is full of BS matchups and always has been. I just don’t think there’s ever been an era where these circus type fights are at the forefront of the sport. Take Ali for example, when he fought Inoki that wasn’t bigger than the contemporary genuine fights like Ali-Frazier, Ali-Foreman etc. Nowadays these exhibitions are bigger deals than the real fights.

Outside of Jeffries - Munroe I can think of nothing else that disputes, so, fair point to ya bud.