Comments Thread For: McGregor: There Are No Damn Leg Kicks In Boxing - Pacquiao Fight Was Happening

[Roadblock]

But does the same thing happen with a boxer under MMA rules???

Not if the boxer is prime elite with a 25lb weight advantage as McTap was against 40 yr old Floyd , they have only ever been washed guys or C graders, you cant judge it the way you are because never has a prime elite boxer tried, and the other part in this is I bet the majority of MMA finishes are with strikes, and boxers are the best strikers in any type of fighting, as Bisping said its not that hard to learn some defence against take down and leg kicks.

I think the very prime boxers could win the cage, might not but its no walk with boxings real killers.

[TMLT87]

boxers are the best strikers in any type of fighting

Best BOXERS, not strikers.

as Bisping said its not that hard to learn some defence against take down and leg kicks.

It is pretty damn hard to learn it effectively enough to deal with high level wrestlers or kickers. And again, if you learn MMA stuff, you're an MMA fighter. Nobody comes purely from an "MMA" background.

you cant judge it the way you are because never has a prime elite boxer tried

And probably never will, which is why this is a failsafe argument to brush all the instances of boxers faring badly outside of Queensberry rules aside.

[Roadblock]

Best BOXERS, not strikers.



It is pretty damn hard to learn it effectively enough to deal with high level wrestlers or kickers. And again, if you learn MMA stuff, you're an MMA fighter. Nobody comes purely from an "MMA" background.



And probably never will, which is why this is a failsafe argument to brush all the instances of boxers faring badly outside of Queensberry rules aside.

Boxers are pure strikers.

They only got to learn enough to land some punches, I dont think there has ever been a MMA guy that never got punched.

Its a failsafe argument because it makes sense, youre basing everything of washed up guys and boxings elite wouldnt be like them at all.

Did you tell me your thoughts on prime Floyd with a 40+ yr old retired MMA guy with a 25lb handicap, I think Floyd would light him up what do think ?

[TMLT87]

Boxers are pure strikers.

They lack 75% of striking tools (or the defenses against them) and as a result would lose to kickboxers, muay thai guys and even MMA strikers most of the time. The best overall strikers are eiite muay thai guys.

They only got to learn enough to land some punches, I dont think there has ever been a MMA guy that never got punched.

Which would still mean they needed to use MMA skills in order for their boxing to work, so they'd be an MMA fighter with a boxing background, just like every other MMA fighter has a base in one of the individual facets of MMA.

Its a failsafe argument because it makes sense, youre basing everything of washed up guys and boxings elite wouldnt be like them at all.

What could an elite prime boxer do differently to avoid being taken down and tapped out or having their lead leg torn up with kicks? the issue is the complete lack of trained defenses for MMA weapons.

Did you tell me your thoughts on prime Floyd with a 40+ yr old retired MMA guy with a 25lb handicap, I think Floyd would light him up what do think ?

9 times out of 10 Floyd would get dumped on his ass and have his head punched through the canvas in the first round, the other one time the punchers chance works out for him.

[Roadblock]

They lack 75% of striking tools (or the defenses against them) and as a result would lose to kickboxers, muay thai guys and even MMA strikers most of the time. The best overall strikers are eiite muay thai guys.



Which would still mean they needed to use MMA skills in order for their boxing to work, so they'd be an MMA fighter with a boxing background, just like every other MMA fighter has a base in one of the individual facets of MMA.



What could an elite prime boxer do differently to avoid being taken down and tapped out or having their lead leg torn up with kicks? the issue is the complete lack of trained defenses for MMA weapons.



9 times out of 10 Floyd would get dumped on his ass and have his head punched through the canvas in the first round, the other one time the punchers chance works out for him.

Boxers punch the shortest route between two points and they punch with much more force and combination much faster and more accurate than MMA guys its not even close boxers are a mile ahead in striking with their fists.

They only got to be able to check kicks and avoid takedowns just enough to get into punching range and its good night, guys like Canelo GGG etc landing solid would fold any MMA guy their size let alone ones 20lb smaller ones, look how Floyd walked through Connor like his punches were pillows, Connor hurts bigger guys in MMA little Floyd bullied him physically, prime Floyd would destroy an old retired MMA 112lb guy.

How does one check a kick or avoid a take down you make it sound impossible lol, its not rocket science that an elite athlete cannot learn especially boxers with great movement and foot work.

Who is the retired 40 yr old 112 lb MMA guy that could take out prime 135 lb Mayweather, Floyd would take his head off, you are on another planet, a great prime boxer given the same advantages Connor got from Floyd in the cage would get the KO quick, Connor was regarded the badest striker in MMA and Floyd walked through him like it was nothing, the ability of a prime elite boxer has not been seen in the MMA cage, Connor showed how piss weak they are when Floyd walks through him with a 25lb handicap, one can only imagine somebody like Canelo or GGG landing solid.

[Mindgames]

Fights gone Conor,the only thing it had going for it was the mystique. Getting dropped by a guy who's hands are a third Mannys speed and power has convinced even the idiot believers you have no business in championship boxing.

[TMLT87]

boxers are a mile ahead in striking with their fists

Otherwise known as boxing, yes, boxers are superior boxers,(shocking I know). But if they are a mile ahead in punching, MMA fighters are 5 miles ahead in kicks, elbows and knees.

They only got to be able to check kicks and avoid takedowns just enough to get into punching range and its good night

So learn defensive kickboxing and defensive wrestling ie mixed martial arts skills that nobody learns in boxing?

And the idea that all a boxer has to do is get into punching range for 5 seconds and they will instantly win the fight isnt true either, theres been plenty of instances of pro boxers getting into punching range and landing shots in various other combat sports and outside of Mercer/Sylvia it doesnt happen. The other guy has tons of experience in boxing range and is not a fish out of water the way the boxer is in every other range.

How does one check a kick or avoid a take down you make it sound impossible lol, its not rocket science that an elite athlete cannot learn especially boxers with great movement and foot work.

This is like saying "how can someone not learn to throw a jab, cross and hook, its not rocket science", you're downplaying the nuances and the levels. Conor had his first pro MMA fight 13 years ago, but still got absolutely wrecked by kicks just now, he also got completely dominated by Khabib on the ground in spite of being a BJJ black belt. But you're acting like a boxer can drill sprawls for a month and suddenly hes keeping lifelong wrestlers standing.

Who is the retired 40 yr old 112 lb MMA guy that could take out prime 135 lb Mayweather

There is no sub 125lb weight class in MMA so its an impossible question.

a great prime boxer given the same advantages Connor got from Floyd in the cage would get the KO quick

There was a 5lb weight difference, a one inch height difference and 2 inch reach difference lol. And Floyd was the same age GSP is now, but GSP has been retired for much longer than Floyd was at that time. So for the record you'd favor a current top LHW or cruiser to beat 40 year old GSP in an MMA fight?

And lol @ Floyd giving any advantages to Conor, it was a ****ing straight Queensberry rules boxing match that completely restricted Conor from bringing anything Floyd might have been uncomfortable with, they didnt even let it be with smaller gloves just in case. Same goes for the Tenshin fight even though Floyd was much bigger.

Connor was regarded the badest striker in MMA and Floyd walked through him like it was nothing

In boxing gloves, would he have walked through those punches in 4oz gloves? what about kicks and knees?

And Conor was actually outstruck in two different fights by Nate Diaz the year before the Floyd fight. He also got dropped on his ass with a punch the year after by Khabib who has ****ty striking, and has just been knocked out like 5x faster than Floyd managed to do it, an actual knockout not the ref waving it off while he was on his feet.

the ability of a prime elite boxer has not been seen in the MMA cage

It wouldnt be seen either because they'd be on their back inside 30 seconds like all the other boxers that dont count for some reason or other.

[Chrismart]

He's a MMA veteran, so i don't think he's suddenly pissed about the idea of leg kicks.

He may be trying to put the idea out there (for the casual target audience of a Pacquiao fight) that he'd fare better in that fight, under boxing rules. He was striking and counter punching well, so if he can try sell that then i'm sure he will as the Pacquiao fight is a money fight for him that he'll still want.

[theface07]

I don't care what anyone says...I want to see Conor McGregor knocked out as many times as he'll let us see it. Its important to keep driving the point home to his idiotic fan base beating after brutal beating....he'll have very little brain matter left after a while. Its all good though...he can wash his wounds and gashes off with a couple of shots of Proper 12.

Yeah might as well. You get what you deserve. To be honest, I've never met a big McGregor fan who wasn't a total moron with very little knowledge of either MMA or boxing. It's basically "Mac is the KING bro!!!" even after he gets beaten to a pulp time and time again. They are likely also Trumpkins who think he should still be president. It's really pathetic.

[theface07]

The UFC has been selling far more PPVs than boxing every year for over a decade.

Where's all that money going then bro? Why are the top UFC fighters getting paid MUCH less than top boxers? Why do top earning UFC fighters like McMuffin feel the need to turn to boxing? That's a bit strange isn't it?