Do you think it is Promoters or Fighters who prevent competitive potential matchups??

[Punch on Tap]

I blame the bodies.

Promoters are just working within their rules

Boxers are just fighting who they have to

Managers are just using their ranking boards


Why does the WBA reg even exist? Because they have a mando they had to appease while having a champion who needed to fight better competition. So to make it work within their own rules they made up a new world title and called it an official world title....which it is despite no one recognizing it but the WBA.

That's uh, well ****ed, that's covering a problem with their system by adding more problems to it.

You can only blame the fighters and promoters and such so much for trying their best to maximize their careers. Our league is ****ty. End of.An athlete and his team are supposed to look at **** like by-laws and such to try to figure out the best way forward for them. The league, the bodies, they're the en****** responsible for making fair systems that award based on merit not paper pushing.

You my friend got it right. Only in boxing do we demonize the fighters when fights don’t get made. Everything we are dealing with currently is a byproduct of 100yrs of greed from those who control the organization of fights and NOW the 100 belts per division. Fighting over market share instead of unifying organizations have led to 3 or 4 major companies that are essentially different states. They each have their own rules and regulations but more importantly, their own culture of operating.

Ultimately the fans will dictate where boxing goes. If it wasn’t for the pandemic...I don’t think we would’ve seen half the great fights we saw last year.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Couldn't disagree more. Most fighters don't have enough power in the bigger boxing world to navigate much of anything once they sign with a promotion. If you fook with your promoter too much they will sit you ffs.

I think fighters ARE more savvy at getting max payment themselves, but that's not about winning or losing anywhere except in their bank account. That's a byproduct of them seeing past eras of fighters getting screwed over financially & sometimes physically.

Tyson Fury won't face a whole list of fighters, recently he has also stated? 'That He will never fight Deontay Wilder again'.

It is the fighters as well mate, just be honest with yourself and understand this etc

The evidence is all out there, for everyone to see.

[TheBoxGod]

That’s true if you’re a Mayweather, Pacquiao, or a Canelo, and you’re bringing in millions of dollars in revenue. But even a fighter as accomplished as Crawford fights whenever and whoever Arum tells them to fight.

In theory you can say the promoter works for the fighter but it’s the other way around. Most don’t fully understand the business side of boxing to make such decisions.

It true for all fighters, the only issue is if a Boxer has the balls to take control. Mikey took control of his career, Ward took control of his career, Ryan Garcia took control of his career even though he still signed with GBP but Ryan Manager/lawyer does all of Ryan Garcia bidding and matchmaking approval not Oscar/GBP.

If Crawford had the desire to take control of his career he could but truth is he has no intrest or ambition for greatness past what he has already achieved, hes happy being paid what he's making and he's happy facing the compeition he's facing. Untill that changes internally with Crawford nothing will change Promoter-fighter wise there between Arum and Crawford.

[Marchegiano]

You my friend got it right. Only in boxing do we demonize the fighters when fights don’t get made. Everything we are dealing with currently is a byproduct of 100yrs of greed from those who control the organization of fights and NOW the 100 belts per division. Fighting over market share instead of unifying organizations have led to 3 or 4 major companies that are essentially different states. They each have their own rules and regulations but more importantly, their own culture of operating.

Ultimately the fans will dictate where boxing goes. If it wasn’t for the pandemic...I don’t think we would’ve seen half the great fights we saw last year.

Great post, and, mine is badly in need of an edit. I'm glad you got the point regardless of my halfassery.

[Eff Pandas]

Tyson Fury won't face a whole list of fighters, recently he has also stated? 'That He will never fight Deontay Wilder again'.

Idk about this list of guys Tyson won't fight to comment on it, but talk is talk. I think fans forget this is a business before a sport for the guys at the highest levels. Guys say all kinds of things to stay in the headlines & to garner more fanboys & haters. Too many fans take words too seriously.

As to Deontay vs Tyson 3 who gives a fook. Tyson took Deontay's soul in the rematch & Deontay don't even act like the same guy anymore. There isn't even a reason to fight again. Not to mention accusing a guy of cheating is a whole other level of fookery that is gonna get guys to not wanna partner with you to get both of you paydays. Even with all this talk there are lines in the sand of what you don't do & Deontay crossed over that line.

It is the fighters as well mate, just be honest with yourself and understand this etc

To be clear I'm not saying no fighter isn't a problem with making fights. But it's mostly on promoters that fights don't happen.

And I mean logical think about it. Fighters are delusional as fook about their skills. There's for sure 3 to 5 guys in most divisions who think they should be #1 right now. There's probably a hundred plus guys in each division who think they can become #1 one day. Obviously that's not reality. Guys not living in reality aren't avoiding fights in general. Usually they are craving bigger fights.

Promoters on the other hand live in a hard reality that if the numbers don't make sense they could go outta business. They are much more risk opposed by nature & more importantly for survival. They don't wanna throw away millions of dollars in potential future income cuz they moved a prospect too fast & got him ktfo. They don't wanna risk the unification huge payday fight. They are much more savvy with risk than boxers are. It's basically their job to reign in boxers wanting to take more risks at all levels ffs. This ain't even a arguable situation.

[edgarg]

I'm not sure what you are coming at me about. What you are saying is exactly why I'm saying that promoters treat boxers like investments.

They ARE spending money on boxers. They DO wanna control the boxer towards max profit for that reason. That makes most of the fights we don't see or see too late a promoter produced problem.

Yes we are mostly on the same page, but I differed with you when you said that promoters don't care a damn about the fighters until or unless they start making money from them. Or maybe I misunderstood. If so I apologise.

They care enough to sign them and carefully handle their careers so that they can BOTH make money, and the fighter(maybe) achieves his aspirations.. Some care for them After they've finished their careers also. Gary Shaw doesn't -Bob Arum does.

When Gennaro Hernandez got throat cancer about 5-6 years after retiring, Arum used to drive him 2 hours for chemo treatments, wait, 2 hours back, then later got an aide to do it, until Gennaro died. He also paid for all medical costs, and kept Gennaro's wife and family in comfort. Likely still does. It was all done with no publicity and only came out from the family comments, after Gennaro died and Mayweather made a huge publicity stunt out of paying for the funeral.

(He and his wife have founded and support many charities, a couple now international.. I have to respect a guy like that. ...although I hate his politics).

[PRINCEKOOL]

Idk about this list of guys Tyson won't fight to comment on it, but talk is talk. I think fans forget this is a business before a sport for the guys at the highest levels. Guys say all kinds of things to stay in the headlines & to garner more fanboys & haters. Too many fans take words too seriously.

As to Deontay vs Tyson 3 who gives a fook. Tyson took Deontay's soul in the rematch & Deontay don't even act like the same guy anymore. There isn't even a reason to fight again. Not to mention accusing a guy of cheating is a whole other level of fookery that is gonna get guys to not wanna partner with you to get both of you paydays. Even with all this talk there are lines in the sand of what you don't do & Deontay crossed over that line.



To be clear I'm not saying no fighter isn't a problem with making fights. But it's mostly on promoters that fights don't happen.

And I mean logical think about it. Fighters are delusional as fook about their skills. There's for sure 3 to 5 guys in most divisions who think they should be #1 right now. There's probably a hundred plus guys in each division who think they can become #1 one day. Obviously that's not reality. Guys not living in reality aren't avoiding fights in general. Usually they are craving bigger fights.

Promoters on the other hand live in a hard reality that if the numbers don't make sense they could go outta business. They are much more risk opposed by nature & more importantly for survival. They don't wanna throw away millions of dollars in potential future income cuz they moved a prospect too fast & got him ktfo. They don't wanna risk the unification huge payday fight. They are much more savvy with risk than boxers are. It's basically their job to reign in boxers wanting to take more risks at all levels ffs. This ain't even a arguable situation.

There is a reason to have the third Wilder vs Fury fight 'Deontay Wilder is still active fighter, and the second fight ended under somewhat controversial circumstances'

Yes Wilder was being beaten, but he did not give up inside of the ring. I have zero idea why you are speaking as if Deontay Wilder gave up? Wilder was not beaten into submission, he was just losing a fight and have a really tough time 'That is boxing, big deal'.

Wilder vs Fury III is the second biggest heavyweight fight, and at least top-3 biggest fights that can be made in the entire sport of boxing 'But Tyson Fury has decided that he does not want to face Deontay Wilder again'.

It is not just the promoters who stop big fights, it is also fighters. 'This is the difference between the amateurs and professional ranks, and it is why? A Olympic Gold medal historically and in terms of prestige is worth more than any belt 'Because they represent the best fighting the best'.

Fighters also play a part in big fights not happening, the evidence throughout history is well documented.

[Eff Pandas]

Yes we are mostly on the same page, but I differed with you when you said that promoters don't care a damn about the fighters until or unless they start making money from them. Or maybe I misunderstood. If so I apologise.

They care enough to sign them and carefully handle their careers so that they can BOTH make money, and the fighter(maybe) achieves his aspirations.. Some care for them After they've finished their careers also. Gary Shaw doesn't -Bob Arum does.

When Gennaro Hernandez got throat cancer about 5-6 years after retiring, Arum used to drive him 2 hours for chemo treatments, wait, 2 hours back, then later got an aide to do it, until Gennaro died. He also paid for all medical costs, and kept Gennaro's wife and family in comfort. Likely still does. It was all done with no publicity and only came out from the family comments, after Gennaro died and Mayweather made a huge publicity stunt out of paying for the funeral.

(He and his wife have founded and support many charities, a couple now international.. I have to respect a guy like that. ...although I hate his politics).

I said I don't think a promoter cares if his guy is #1 like fighters care if they are #1 when they aren't profitable. When a guy keeps winning & it's become a profitable situation I think promoters start caring if their boxer is #1 more. And that's usually when the biggest fights happen. And it's usually well past when fans were most anticipating the big fight. Or they'll do it when they are about to cash out on a guy or they know the fighter might wanna leave & his deal is up soon.

Outside of that I think the relationship between a promoter & boxer can be 100% business or it could be or could turn into a friendship to one degree or another that happens to involve business. I think it's more likely to lean more towards business with big name promoters, but I'm sure friendly relationships happen from time to time with bigger promoters like the situation you brought up with Bob & Genaro.

[Eff Pandas]

There is a reason to have the third Wilder vs Fury fight 'Deontay Wilder is still active fighter, and the second fight ended under somewhat controversial circumstances'

There was nothing controversial about that ass whipping. Look man I lost money on that fight. I picked Deontay to win. But the reality is Tyson fooked up Deontay's day all night long & Deontay was smelling his own sh^t so deeply he can't even cope with the fact he lost & lost very badly & uncompetitively.

Yes Wilder was being beaten, but he did not give up inside of the ring. I have zero idea why you are speaking as if Deontay Wilder gave up? Wilder was not beaten into submission, he was just losing a fight and have a really tough time 'That is boxing, big deal'.

He lost. Badly lost. It don't matter that HE didn't give up. Plenty of guys lose & don't give up. It's not about that. It's about the fight & winning the fight. Only person I've seen take a L worse than Deontay this year was Trump & the Trumptards.

Wilder vs Fury III is the second biggest heavyweight fight, and at least top-3 biggest fights that can be made in the entire sport of boxing 'But Tyson Fury has decided that he does not want to face Deontay Wilder again'.

I agree it's still a big fight off of the name value of each guy.

I can't fault Tyson for not wanting to fight him a third time doe when he dominated him in the rematch & Deontay is throwing around some foul accusations at his own team, but more importantly to Tyson at him. I mean would you understand if Deontay didn't wanna fight that Polish guy again? Granted it's not the same money in play, but for the Polish guy he'd be gifting him with a payday he don't deserve after he got merked by Deontay.

It is not just the promoters who stop big fights, it is also fighters. 'This is the difference between the amateurs and professional ranks, and it is why? A Olympic Gold medal historically and in terms of prestige is worth more than any belt 'Because they represent the best fighting the best'.

Fighters also play a part in big fights not happening, the evidence throughout history is well documented.

Ahhh finally back to the real topic.

Idk what we are debating about here. I never said no fighter ever fooked up a big fight or any fight. I'm saying promoters fook up making the big fights much much more often than fighters & it's not even a debate it's so obvious.

Fook most of these promoters won't even let their guy fight off whatever platform they got a deal with. How is a boxer stopping a big fight when he & his opponent both can't even fight off of their promoters platform unless it's some monumental fight?

[El_Mero]

90% promoters, 10% fighters