Do you think it is Promoters or Fighters who prevent competitive potential matchups??

[KillaMane26]

Managers and promoters.

As long as the fighter ain't getting lowballed most will fight anybody

[ELPacman]

I honestly think it has to do with the promoters more than the fighters but the promoter can put doubt into the minds of their fighter.

The promoter wants to maximize his returns right? He's in the sport for the $$$. He wants to make sure his fighter keeps bringing that $$$. For that it requires a balancing act of making good fights but also not trying to damage your fighter in a fight that deep downside the promoter feels he cannot win. In this situation I believe the promoter starts making up reasons to help keep the press off the fighter but if it was up to the fighter, he would go for it. The problem is the promoter doesn't believe in his guy enough that he would win the fight so he'll do whatever he can to delay it and continue to profit off his fighter. Then when the time is right, that being he's ready to cash out his fighter, or the opponent is finally in a weakened state to beat his fighter, he'll make the fight happen.

It's a rinse and repeat cycle that is just part of the nature of the business.

[edgarg]

Definitely the promoters. Promoters are buying an investment when they sign a fighter. They wanna get the max money they can from any investment like anyone investing in anything.

Fighters largely are trying to get paid like everyone is to one degree or another, but they got a lower threshold of $$$ success than promoters + they actually have a desire to compete & find out how good they are. Idk that the average promoter gives a fook if his guy is the best guy if he's making money off of that guy. If they do care that comes later when they are up money-wise already.

When promoters sign fighters they have to carry them for years whilst building them up as attractions. Who do you think pays for that. Not the fighter, he has no money. And he needs food clothing support for his family gym clothes and fees etc. etc. Many fighters never make any money for the promoter, it's a very risky business. My late uncle was a promoter and always never once made any money. But he had another, profitable business, and just liked promoting on the side..

Look at all the promoting companies which came into boxing in the last ,say 10-15 years some with hundreds of millions to start with. How many are still there..? and haw many money transfusions did their investors put it.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Definitely the promoters. Promoters are buying an investment when they sign a fighter. They wanna get the max money they can from any investment like anyone investing in anything.

Fighters largely are trying to get paid like everyone is to one degree or another, but they got a lower threshold of $$$ success than promoters + they actually have a desire to compete & find out how good they are. Idk that the average promoter gives a fook if his guy is the best guy if he's making money off of that guy. If they do care that comes later when they are up money-wise already.

It is everyone.

Fighters want to keep winning, sometimes fighters know their limits 'So they will try and navigate through the competition'.

Boxing is a not a computer game where you can just reset, if you lose 'Switch off the computer, and come back again in a few hours or the next day'.

There are very few fighters who will fight anyone, at some point? They seem to all have this attitude, but very rarely keep this attitude innately.

[Clegg]

Mostly the promoters.

Generally though fighters follow a certain pattern, hungry and willing to fight anyone on the way up, then a few years later a bit more careful about their choices once they have something to lose.

[Outwest Exp 355]

Its the boxers, if a boxer truly wants a fight it can be made. The promoters are just working on behalf of the fighter.

Take crawford for instance, if he wanted to he could tell Arum to offer Porter/Thurman 2 million but he doesnt so Arum doesnt and who gets the blame? Arum but arum is just the fall guy and he happy to be that but truth is its Crawford wishes Arum is carrying out.

That’s true if you’re a Mayweather, Pacquiao, or a Canelo, and you’re bringing in millions of dollars in revenue. But even a fighter as accomplished as Crawford fights whenever and whoever Arum tells them to fight.

In theory you can say the promoter works for the fighter but it’s the other way around. Most don’t fully understand the business side of boxing to make such decisions.

[blowblow]

That fight was cancelled due to the pandemic. Had nothing to do with audiences, was scheduled before boxing even returned to empty arena shows.

yeah but arum didn't continue the fight coz he want it to do with many audience.. they picked maloney instead..

[Eff Pandas]

It is everyone.

Fighters want to keep winning, sometimes fighters know their limits 'So they will try and navigate through the competition'.

Boxing is a not a computer game where you can just reset, if you lose 'Switch off the computer, and come back again in a few hours or the next day'.

There are very few fighters who will fight anyone, at some point? They seem to all have this attitude, but very rarely keep this attitude innately.

Couldn't disagree more. Most fighters don't have enough power in the bigger boxing world to navigate much of anything once they sign with a promotion. If you fook with your promoter too much they will sit you ffs.

I think fighters ARE more savvy at getting max payment themselves, but that's not about winning or losing anywhere except in their bank account. That's a byproduct of them seeing past eras of fighters getting screwed over financially & sometimes physically.

[Eff Pandas]

When promoters sign fighters they have to carry them for years whilst building them up as attractions. Who do you think pays for that. Not the fighter, he has no money. And he needs food clothing support for his family gym clothes and fees etc. etc. Many fighters never make any money for the promoter, it's a very risky business. My late uncle was a promoter and always never once made any money. But he had another, profitable business, and just liked promoting on the side..

Look at all the promoting companies which came into boxing in the last ,say 10-15 years some with hundreds of millions to start with. How many are still there..? and haw many money transfusions did their investors put it.

I'm not sure what you are coming at me about. What you are saying is exactly why I'm saying that promoters treat boxers like investments.

They ARE spending money on boxers. They DO wanna control the boxer towards max profit for that reason. That makes most of the fights we don't see or see too late a promoter produced problem.

[Marchegiano]

I blame the bodies.

Promoters are just working within their rules

Boxers are just fighting who they have to

Managers are just using their ranking boards


Why does the WBA reg even exist? Because they have a mando they had to appease while having a champion who needed to fight better competition. So to make it work within their own rules they made up a new world title and called it an official world title....which it is despite no one recognizing it but the WBA.

That's uh, well ****ed, that's covering a problem with their system by adding more problems to it.

You can only blame the fighters and promoters and such so much for trying their best to maximize their careers. Our league is ****ty. End of.An athlete and his team are supposed to look at **** like by-laws and such to try to figure out the best way forward for them. The league, the bodies, they're the en****** responsible for making fair systems that award based on merit not paper pushing.